Thursday, February 4, 2010

Is pentecostalism false doctrine?

Pentecostal saints and preachers believe that everyone must speak in tounges to be saved. Is this true? Not everyone in the bible spoke in tongues. The only instances were the day of Pentecost and when an apostle laid hands on someone.Is pentecostalism false doctrine?
To the best of my knowledge Pentecostals teach that Jesus is the only way to salvation.





The speaking in tongues issue is ';evidence'; of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is not a salvation issue.





So I would not call it a ';false'; doctrine per say but more like they give the gift way more priority than it really has.Is pentecostalism false doctrine?
Paul said he spoke in more tongues than anyone, but he would rather speak one word that could be understood than all the tongues(different languages). He also told the corinthian congregation that if anyone did speak in a tongue that he was to interpret what he was saying, otherwise it was speaking to the wind. If you spoke 7 different languages, you would be able to speak in 7 different tongues. There are those that think a tongue is not a language %26amp; they babel with no meaning. Read what is said in the Bible at pentecost, it says that many understood those that spoke in their native tongue, but other said they must be drunk, because they did not understand what was being said. Notice that there were ones that did understand and where amazed because the ones speaking were uneducated in there native tongue(language). It shows that when one is baptized with holy then one can do what the creator wanted, which was spread Gods message to all even that spoke a different tongue(language).
I call it more ';unfortunate'; doctrine. If they teach that speaking in tongues is required to ';prove'; one is saved, they are incorrect. Many converts simply ';ape'; something to show themselves worthy and acceptable. Most unfortunate.





Many Pentecostals also believe in a works-based salvation. This is also troubling. It cheapens the grace of God, causes members to compare their righteousness/standing with God to each other and many other damaging effects.





If they have accepted Christ, I have no quarrel with their salvation. I do have a quarrel with their ';grace + works'; mindset.
I don't think all pentecostals believe that, as that doctrine is indeed false, by what Paul said about this:


1Co 12:28 And God placed some in the assembly: firstly, apostles; secondly, prophets; thirdly, teachers; then works of power; then gifts of healing, helps, governings, kinds of languages.


1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? All prophets? All teachers? All workers of power?


1Co 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak languages [Tongues]? Do all interpret?


1Co 12:31 But zealously strive after the better gifts. And yet I show you a way according to excellence:
The Bible very clearly states that all those who follow Christ have been baptized in the Holy Spirit(1 Cor 12.13), yet it also states that not all who are Christians speak in tongues (1 Cor 12.30,31).


So, anyone who believes that speaking in tongues is the definitive sign of baptism in the Spirit has an unbiblical belief.
No. I was raised in a Pentecostal Church of God and we were never taught that you must speak in tongues in order to be saved. There are many different gifts of the Spirit, tongues is only one of them. The bible also says that 5 words in a known tongue is better than 100 uttered in an unknown tongue. It is for edification and tongues without interpretation is only edification of the person speaking, not of the church. It should not be done at all without interpretation unless you are alone praying.


The reason the apostles began speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost was for a sign for those who who were there to hear. They heard the apostles speaking in their own native tongue and a language they had never known. This was real language, just not their own.
No, not everyone must speak in tounges, but it is still something


that can ligitimately be done and for a good purpose.





To me it also includes being able to speak a prophetic word


that can be understood as well as being able to lay on hands


and heal ppl. These are doctrinally sound but must be handled with wisdom and direction from God, not as some churches these days


delve into it.





I can be described as Bapti-costal in beliefs and enjoy the


best of both ';worlds'; in a way, though no detailed doctrine


is perfect, there are priorites such as who Jesus is :-)
1Cr 12:28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.


1Cr 12:29 [Are] all apostles? [Are] all prophets? [Are] all teachers? [Are] all workers of miracles?


1Cr 12:30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?


1Cr 12:31 But earnestly desire the best [fn] gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.





The next chapter is the famous chapter of love. Jesus said that ';men will know that you are my disciples if you have love for one another'; (John 13:35) Love and obedience to the Word of God makes you a Christian, not speaking in tongues. I have known Christians in my own life that have ';spoken in tongues'; and were some of the most unloving people i had met in my life. The Spirit will give you the gift of tongues if it is His will do so. Based upon what i have read in the bible, I see no basis to believe that you must speak in tongues to be saved. How many of the people in the pentecostal circle do you think actually rehearsed something sounding like tongues so they would not be judged by those in their pentecostal congregation?
It depends on which Pentecostals you are asking about. The Assemblies of God and the Church of God (Cleveland, TN) are pretty orthodox in their theology. Oneness Pentecostals, on the other hand, deny the Trinity and are legalistic in the extreme. Then there are the Pentecostals who take up serpents, but that's a whole 'nother question.
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38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.





No, I do not believe that Pentecostalism is a false doctrine. I believe that they teach the truth %26amp; try to live up to God's Word to the letter. I'm not lumping all Pentecostals in the same group, but the ones that I know are genuine.
Pentecostals (ie. Assemblies of God) don't teach that you must speak in tongues to be saved. They teach that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit, which is an event after and distinct from being saved.
Pentecostals do not believe that you must speak in tongues in order to be saved. speaking in tounges is a spiritual gift that everyone does not get.
Pentecostalism believes in good works for salvation.So yes,it's a deadly false doctrine.
I'm pentecostal and we don't believe everyone has to speak in tongues to be saved or go to heaven. That's just the evidence of being filled with the Holy Ghost!
Pentecostalism is a false doctrine.
You can't have ';false'; doctrine unless you can demonstrate ';true'; doctrine. When you can do that, come back and I'll tell you which is false.
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They just like showing off.





Although it is highly entertaining (if not a little bit scary).
The Pentecostals, the Church of God, and the Assemblies of God have been the traditional standard bearers of Charismatic doctrine, although their teachings are also promoted by various groups such as ';Full Gospel'; churches and ';Praise and Worship Centers';. These groups do differ in some practices and beliefs, but their basic doctrines concerning the ministry of the Holy Spirit are the same and are false.





It is important for the Bible believer to know and remember that there were NO CHARISMATIC GROUPS AROUND BEFORE 1900. The whole mess began in the year 1900 when Charles F. Parham established the Bethel Bible College in Topeka, Kansas. He taught his students that speaking in tongues was the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost. On January 1, 1901, Agnes Ozman, a student at BBC, spoke in tongues. From that day forth, Pentecostal groups have taught that speaking in tongues is the ';evidence'; of the baptism of the Holy Ghost.





(This is the spiritual baptism. It is a MIRACULOUS baptism, performed by the Lord Himself. Most Charismatic groups teach that a person receives the Holy Ghost sometime AFTER they've received Christ as Savior, but this is plain heresy. Romans 8:9 tells us that a person does not even belong to Christ if that person doesn't have the Spirit of God, so salvation and the baptism of the Holy Ghost are SYNONYMOUS, not separate.)





In 1906, W. J. Seymour, a student of Parham鈥檚, began holding meetings at 312 Azusa Street in Los Angeles. Regular meetings were held here for three years, and it was from here that the movement spread across America with the establishment of churches and denominations.





The principle errors found within the Charismatic movement are listed below. Each of these errors are covered in more detail elsewhere in this booklet.





1. Apostolic Signs and Wonders


2. Baptism of the Holy Ghost and Fire


3. Denial of Eternal Security


4. Unpardonable Sin


5. Women Preachers








In Mark 16:17-18, Jesus said to the Apostles, ';And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.';


Because of their inability and refusal to rightly divide the word of truth (II Tim. 2:15), the Charismatics operate under the false assumption that these signs are still in effect today and that it is THEIR duty to fulfill them. This is why we have charlatans like Oral Roberts and Jim Baker living in mansions and begging people for money.


In their haste to make a dollar, the Charismatics consistently ignore the fact that Jesus said these were SIGNS, and that I Corinthians 1:22 tells us that SIGNS are for the JEWS. Israel began with signs (Rom. 4:11; Exo. 4:8 ,9, 17, 23, 28, 30; 7:3; 8:23; 10:1-2; 13:9; 31:13, 17; Deu. 4:34; 6:22), lived by signs (Deu. 11:18; Jos. 4:6; I Sam. 10:7; II Kgs. 19:29; Isa. 7:14; 38:7, 22; Eze. 4:3; 20:12, 20), and demanded signs from Christ (Mat. 12:38; 24:3). [ADVICE TO READERS: Everything that can be misunderstood WILL be misunderstood when you fail to check references.] There is more scripture to support the doctrine of signs being for Israel than there is to support the Virgin Birth and the Inspiration of Scripture combined! Anyone who ignores this truth is absolutely unqualified to teach, preach, or write anything about the Apostolic Signs. If you'll take a look at Hebrews 2:3-4 you will see that the signs were used to CONFIRM the word of God, and you will also see that the signs are spoken of in the PAST TENSE. They are also spoken of in the past tense in II Corinthians 12:12. Those who insist that we should practice the signs today because they were practiced throughout the New Testament haven't been reading (or believing) their Bible. They were not practiced throughout the New Testament. In fact, Paul left Trophimus SICK at Miletum (II Tim. 4:20); he gave Timothy medical advice instead of healing him (I Tim. 5:23), and he had infirmities of his own from which he could not be healed (II Cor. 11:30; 12:5-10). Now why all this sickness if the Apostolic Signs were still in effect? Answer: They WEREN'T still in effect, because they were only needed in the early ministry of the Apostles for the purpose of confirming the truth to Israel.


Now we firmly believe that God can still work miracles and heal anyone He chooses, and we believe that the prayers of God's people can move Him to work miracles, but let's not confuse answered prayers with Apostolic Signs, because there's a vast difference. We believe in healing; we just don't believe in healers.

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