Is trinity a false doctrine? Shouldn't we also worship the deciples?

John 17:11


Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name-- the name you gave me-- so that they may be one as we are one.


(NIV)Is trinity a false doctrine? Shouldn't we also worship the deciples?
IF THE Trinity were true, it should be clearly and consistently presented in the Bible. Why? Because, as the apostles affirmed, the Bible is God's revelation of himself to mankind. And since we need to know God to worship him acceptably, the Bible should be clear in telling us just who he is.





First-century believers accepted the Scriptures as the authentic revelation of God. It was the basis for their beliefs, the final authority. For example, when the apostle Paul preached to people in the city of Beroea, ';they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.';—Acts 17:10, 11.





A PROTESTANT publication states: ';The word Trinity is not found in the Bible . . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century.'; (The Illustrated Bible Dictionary) And a Catholic authority says that the Trinity ';is not . . . directly and immediately [the] word of God.';—New Catholic Encyclopedia.





The Catholic Encyclopedia also comments: ';In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word [tri'as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180. . . . Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian.';Is trinity a false doctrine? Shouldn't we also worship the deciples?
Interestingly, the word doesn't appear anywhere in the bible.


We accept it by implication. Pretty thin, I know.





And, yes, Jesus did say he was the son of God. ';Who do men say that I am?';
Hes praying that they (the disciples) will be unified as the Trinity is unified. Not that they would be one with God in an equal in glory way..





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Yes, Jesus did say He was God.
The Trinity is a true doctrine but no we don't worship the disciples.
1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.





Jesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,





Jesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;





Does the Bible teach that all who are said to be part of the Trinity are eternal, none having a beginning?





Rev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him .





Does the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)





John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”





1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven.





A person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.





I COULD GO ON %26amp; ON WITH SCRIPTURES %26amp; EXPLANATIONS, BUT I THINK THIS ALREADY TO LONG FOR SOME PEOPLE.
Yes it is a false doctrine. No, we should only worship Jehovah God!


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The trinity is a false doctrine.


The disciples are not worthy of worship since they are not God.


Jesus made himself very clear to the Jews that He was God, that is why they were so enraged and sought to stone him.
The trinity is something made up in Roman times by Constantine. Its hard for brainwashed Christians to accept this.
In that verse, He is speaking of one in purpose. But Yes, I think the trinity is false doctrine.
No, its not a false doctrine. the disciples were not God. jesus was.
In the Jewish culture of the day the comments that Jesus made were far more controversial than what we understand them to be now. His use of the phrase ';I AM'; was considered blasphemous because it is a claim to divinity. There are a variety of places in the Scriptures that Jesus is attributed qualities that are permitted to God alone.


See John 10:30, Colossians 2:9, Mark 14:62, Philippians 2:10-11.


The Trinity is not a false doctrine. It does not claim that there are three Gods, simply that God became personified through three offices amidst his eternal ministry. The Father is one with Jesus who is one with his Spirit. The three ';roles'; take shape as based upon necessity of effective ministry and the fulfillment of God's word/prophecy.


The disciples are simply men who were equipped with the power of the Holy Spirit- just as anyone who pursues after God through a belief in Jesus as the Christ can be empowered.
What is the Trinity?





The word ';trinity'; is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other, yet identical in essence. In other words, each is fully divine in nature, but each is not the totality of the Trinity. Each has a will, loves, and says ';I';, and ';You'; when speaking. The Father is not the same person as the Son who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit who is not the same person as the Father. Each is divine, yet there are not three gods, but one God. There are three individual subsistences, or persons. The word ';subsistence'; means something that has a real existence. The word ';person'; denotes individuality and self awareness. The Trinity is three of these, though the latter term has become the dominant one used to describe the individual aspects of God known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


Included in the doctrine of the Trinity is a strict monotheism which is the teaching that there exists in all the universe a single being known as God who is self-existent and unchangeable (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8). Therefore, it is important to note that the doctrine of the trinity is not polytheistic as some of its critics proclaim. Trinitarianism is monotheistic by definition and those who claim it is polytheistic demonstrate a lack of understanding of what it really is.





The Trinity


God is three persons


Each person is divine


There is only one God.


Many theologians admit that the term ';person'; is not a perfect word to describe the three individual aspects/foci found in God. When we normally use the word person, we understand it to mean physical individuals who exist as separate beings from other individuals. But in God there are not three entities, nor three beings. God, is a trinity of persons consisting of one substance and one essence. God is numerically one. Yet, within the single divine essence are three individual subsistences that we call persons.





Each of the three persons is completely divine in nature though each is not the totality of the Godhead.


Each of the three persons is not the other two persons.


Each of the three persons is related to the other two, but are distinct from them.


The word ';trinity'; is not found in the Bible. But this does not mean that the concept is not taught there. The word ';bible'; is not found in the Bible either, but we use it anyway. Likewise, the words ';omniscience,'; which means ';all knowing,'; ';omnipotence,'; which means ';all powerful,'; and ';omnipresence,'; which means ';present everywhere,'; are not found in the Bible either. But we use these words to describe the attributes of God. So, to say that the Trinity isn't true because the word isn't in the Bible is an invalid argument.





Is there subordination in the Trinity?





There is, apparently, a subordination within the Trinity in regard to order but not substance or essence. We can see that the Father is first, the Son is second, and the Holy Spirit is third. The Father is not begotten, but the Son is (John 3:16). The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (John 5:26). The Father sent the Son (1 John 4:10). The Son and the Father send the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 15:26). The Father creates (Isaiah 44:24), the Son redeems (Gal. 3:13), and the Holy Spirit sanctifies (Rom. 15:16).


This subordination of order does not mean that each of the members of the Godhead are not equal or divine. For example, we see that the Father sent the Son. But this does not mean that the Son is not equal to the Father in essence and divine nature. A wife is to be subject to her husband but this does not negate her humanity, essence, or equality. By further analogy, a king and his servant both share human nature. Yet, the king sends the servant to do his will. Jesus said, ';For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me'; (John 6:38). Does this mean that the one sent must, therefore, be of different nature than the one who sent him? Of course not.


Critics of the Trinity will see this subordination as proof that the Trinity is false. They reason that if Jesus were truly God, then He would be completely equal to God the Father in all areas and would not, therefore, be subordinate to the Father in any way. But this objection is not logical. If we look at the analogy of the king and in the servant we certainly would not say that the servant was not human because he was sent. Being sent does not negate sameness in essence. Therefore, the fact that the Son is sent does not mean that He is not divine any more than when my wife sends me to get bread, I am not human.


Is this confusing?





Another important point about the Trinity is that it can be a difficult concept to grasp. But this does not necessitate an argument against its validity. On the contrary, the fact that it is difficult is an argument for its truth. The Bible is the self revelation of an infinite God. Therefore, we are bound to encounter concepts which are difficult to understand -- especially when dealing with an incomprehensible God who exists in all places at all times. So, when we view descriptions and attributes of God manifested in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, we discover that a completely comprehensible and understandable explanation of God's essence and nature is not possible. What we have, however, done is derive from the Scripture the truths that we can grasp and combine them into the doctrine we call The Trinity. The Trinity is, to a large extent, a mystery. After all, we are dealing with God Himself.


It is the way of the cults to reduce biblical truth to make God comprehensible and understandable by their minds. To this end, they subject God's word to their own reasoning and end in error. The following verses are often used to demonstrate that in the doctrine of the Trinity is indeed biblical.


Matt. 28:18, Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,


1 Cor. 12:4-6, Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.


2 Cor. 13:14, The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.


Eph. 4:4-7, There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. 7But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.


1 Pet. 1:2, ';according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in fullest measure.';


Jude 20-21, ';But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith; praying in the Holy Spirit; 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.';


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Sources:


Baker's Dictionary of Theology, Everett Harrison, ed. Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1960.





Berkhoff's Systematic Theology, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1988.





Grudem, Wayne, Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, MI, 1994.





Hodge's Systematic Theology, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1981.
jesus did say he was God, what do you think he was refering to when he said ';i and the father are one';. it is correct that the trinity is not mentioned in the Bible but that does not mean it doesnt exist. the trinity is a term used by christians to define the existence of the three divines
The doctrine of the Trinity can be confusing. A quick answer is that the ';Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct yet equal Persons and indivisibly one God.'; That comes from the site below, which I highly recommend. You will find all the Scripture references that explain the doctrine there.





Hope that helps....