I assume you refer to the fundies as false christians because they follow false doctrines. Yes OSAS is a false non-Biblical doctrine. It is based on an erroneous interpretation of Scripture.
EDIT: I notice some fundies think it is wrong for people to call them false christians. I hope these are not the same fundies who call the Catholics non-Christians.Is the 'Once Saved Always Saved'; doctrine an invention of false christians?
Chris, are you disappointed?
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I think you're getting wrapped around the axle on this for nothing. OSAS is a way to explain the Calvinist doctrine of Perseverance of the Saints, but it's technically not a true description of the doctrine, so when Arminians argue against it as ';unbiblical,'; the Calvinists would have to agree.
Yes, some Christians do mistakenly hold to OSAS. They go right back to the popular Calvinist verses that explain Perseverance, but again, it's not completely aligned with Calvinist thought.
Romans 11: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he spare not you. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also will be cut off. Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 22 the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: stay in the faith are you will be cut off.. peace and grace be multiplied
wouldnt call it cults, but it is definatly not scriptual
the bible says faith without works is dead (james 2:26)
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They publicly declare they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and not approved for good work of any sort. (titus 1:16)
in my personal opinion, i think its just laziness
The doctrine was invented but I would never call anyone a false Christian.
Catholics do not believe in once saved, always saved.
Saved Christians have the freedom to fully reject God and their salvation. We call this mortal sin.
1 John 5:16-17 - If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
Matthew 18:7-9: Woe to the world because of things that cause sin! Such things must come, but woe to the one through whom they come! If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life maimed or crippled than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into fiery Gehenna. (Matthew 18:7-9)
If one is ';once saved, always saved'; then these verses would have no meaning to Christians.
The parable of the Good Samaritan also teaches us about the sin of omission, not doing something that morally we should do. The priest and the Levite are examples of ';saved'; people who are committing serious sins of omission. See Luke 10:30-37.
However the best scripture about the sin of omission that makes a believer lose their salvation is Christ’s prophecy of the Last Judgment in Matthew 25:31-46 which concludes:
Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Nowhere in this prophecy does Jesus mention anyone's faith or acceptance of him.
With love in Christ.
It's not a true meaning of scripture. But there is no reason to think those who believe it are false christians. We look through a dark glass here on earth, and can be fooled by this false belief. Nobody is forced to go to heaven. But if you want to worship satan because you believe he is in charge now (i know of such a person) you have free will.
This is one loaded question, full of inconsistencies. So, the short answer is: No we were NEVER a cult. That's an opinion based on bias on your part. False Christians are not part of the whole, but there are many false doctrines that people fall for. One of them being the O.S.A.S. An individual CAN lose their salvation if they blaspheme the Holy Spirit, or live as a sinner(simple, but Biblically accurate). True believers search the WORD to make sure whatever preacher they are listening to talks the Bible, not their own doctrine.
Jesus said in John chapter 3 that The Holy Spirit birthed his children. God rejects abortion. He does not birth his children and then reject or abort them. He loves them, cares for their needs and disciplines them. If you are working to be accepted as a child of God then why did Jesus have to die for your sins. Justification comes by faith. But a proper faith will manifest itself in good works. If you could lose it based on committing a sin. How bad would the sin have to be. A wrong thought? I sure am glad I don't live every minute in that kind of fear and insecurity. I live for Jesus out of gratitude not because he threatens me with hell.
Well, how about just misled Christians....
SOME VERSES PROTESTANTS USE TO PROVE “ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED”
2 Tim. 4:8 – Protestants often use this verse to prove “once saved, always saved,” even in the face of all Paul wrote about the possibility of losing his salvation (including his). But it is only at end of Saint Paul's life that he has a moral certitude of salvation. This is after a lifetime of perseverance. As faithful believers in Christ, we indeed have a moral certitude of our salvation, but this is different from being certain of our salvation. We must persevere throughout our lives, and can choose to fall away.
Also, Catholics have more assurance of salvation that those who espouse “once saved, always saved.” This is because the only distinction between a true Christian and a superficial Christian is that the superficial Christian will not persevere to the end – but this is something a Christian cannot know during his life, and this necessarily imposes uncertainty upon him until the end. For Catholics, we know that salvation is ours to lose. For “once saved, always saved” Protestants, they don’t even know whether it is theirs to begin with.
Rom. 11:29 – “the gifts and the call of our God our irrevocable.” Some Protestants use this to prove “once saved, always saved.” But this verse has nothing to do with our response to salvation. It deals with God’s unmerited gifts and call to us. Moreover, if a person is in “the elect,” then his salvation is irrevocable. But we can never know if we are in the elect during our lives (“the elect” only deals with God’s knowledge).
Rom. 14:4 – and he will be upheld, for the Master is able to make him stand. This is another verse Protestants use to prove “once saved, always saved.” But the verse speaks only to what God is able to do. It does not address what the person is free to do (accept God’s grace or reject it).
Phil. 1:6 – “I am sure that He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.” Protestants also use this verse to prove “once saved, always saved.” But Protestants wouldn’t argue that the whole Philippi church was saved, so this statement must be qualified. In fact, Paul does qualify it in Phil. 2:13 when he warns them to work out their salvation “in fear and trembling,” and in Phil. 3:11-14 when he writes that “if possible,” he may obtain the resurrection, and that he has not yet received the prize (of salvation). Moreover, the verse tells us what God will do (He will give all the grace to bring us to completion), but says nothing about our cooperation with God’s grace.
Phil. 4:3 – some Protestants point to this verse about names which are in the book of life. Indeed, because God knows the future, He knows who will persevere (the elect). These are the people whose names are in the book of life. But Jesus in Rev. 3:5 warns us that He can blot our names out of the book of life if we fail to persevere.
Col. 3:23-24 – “work heartily as serving the Lord, not men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward.” This is another verse used to prove “once saved, always saved.” But the verse says our inheritance depends on “working heartily.” It’s not just a matter of accepting Christ as Savior, but working heartily in perseverance. If we persevere, then we will indeed receive the inheritance as our reward.
2 Tim. 1:12 – “But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am sure that he is able to guard until that Day what has been entrusted to me.” Another verse proving “once saved, always saved?” Of course not. Paul is writing about the Revelation of faith with which God has entrusted him, and specifically that God will preserve his ability to teach the faith until the end of his life (see v. 13 where Paul then exhorts Timothy to safeguard this deposit of faith as well).
2 Tim. 4:18 – “the Lord will rescue me from every evil and save me for his heavenly kingdom.” Again, this verse demonstrates God’s faithfulness to us, but God’s ability to save us also depends upon our cooperation. God preserves His elect, but only He knows who are His elect by His foreknowledge.
1 Peter 1:3-5 – Peter says we are born anew to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ and to an inheritance which is imperishable, who by God’s power are guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. No Protestant, however, would argue that all of northern Asia Minor (to whom the letter was addressed) was saved. The verse simply sets forth the tautology that God’s elect are saved (by God’s grace and the elect’s perseverance), but only God knows who are His elect.
Not all fundies believe in the false doctrine of ';OSAS'; but you are correct in saying that it is an invention os some fundies. And yes, it makes their groups (or cults, as you refer to them) more attractive to some.
Maybe it is a little harsh to refer to the fundies are false christians. But I think some fundies have been misled by Satan into believing in the false doctrine of OSAS.
Yes it is. Otherwise why would God put together such a big book of instructions on how to live our lives? All it had to say was ';believe in Jesus and be saved.';
Name it and Claim it gospels are always out to gain new members - living a Just life is hard work; believing you live a Just life is very easy.
Fundies are false christians. A lot of them are nutjobs.
Yes, OSAS is a false doctrine.
I don't know, but what I do know is that the OSAS doctrine is wrong.
Jesus is not a cult master. God gave you a way towards Him and hope you see the Light one day.
how can we lose a gift from God's grace that we could never earn ?
If OSAS really attracted converts, then why do very many groups that claim to be ';Christian';, reject OSAS? Very many reject it.
The truth is that OSAS is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Jesus gave me ETERNAL life.
I guess Jesus didn't do the same for you?
I always heard that used where people were trying to philosophically iron out their theology... in some respects it's logically necessary (from what I remember).
NO! It is Biblical!! John 10:28-30. (Or He died for nothing!) It is the ones who say we CAN lose our Salvation that are Fake!! %26lt;')))%26gt;%26lt;
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