Monday, February 8, 2010

Where does the false Roman Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Virgin Conception Birth come from?

I'm SOOOOO sorry about ending that question in a preposition!Where does the false Roman Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Virgin Conception Birth come from?
First the Immaculate Conception and the Virgin Birth, are, according to Roman Catholic Theology, two very different things.





The Immaculate Conception is about how Mary, the mother of Jesus was conceived.





The Virgin Birth is real, it actually happened, it was prophesied in Isaiah and fulfilled in Matthew's and Luke's Gospels.





The Immaculate Conception was manufactured in the same place Fiats are, deep in the heart of Italy.Where does the false Roman Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Virgin Conception Birth come from?
Immaculate Virgin Conception Birth?





I think you have combined the Immaculate Conception and the Virgin Birth. The Virgin Birth is the idea that Christ was born of a virgin. The Immaculate Conception is the idea that Mary was conceived without original sin. I doubt you take issue with the Virgin Birth.





The Immaculate Conception is based on a few things. One is the rampant parallels between the old and new testament. There's an old and a new covenant. There's an old and a new sacrifice. God came to earth and resided in the ark in the OT, while God came to earth and resided in Mary (the new ark). Since the ark of the OT had to be made of the purest of metals and any and all flaws kept distant from it (remember the unclean but well meaning man that was struck dead just for touching it). As a result, it is believed that Mary, being the new ark, could not contain Christ (God-made-man) if she had any flaws either. Thus God preserved her from original sin to make her a suitable vessel.
It was added to the bible in 1850. My personal opinion was in the late 1700 and early 1800 there were a lot of stories and information coming out of Egypt and some of that had to do with Isis and the Virgin birth of Horus. Not to be out done the church added it to the bible.
Immaculate Conception - means that Mary was from the moment of her conception, without sin. This was of course through the merits of her Savior, Jesus Christ. It was solemnly defined in 1854 by Pope Pius IX. Church Fathers implicitly taught this. (This is too involved to go into detail here).





Virgin Birth - refers to the birth of Jesus, because Mary was a virgin. I hope that you don't have an issue with this one.
I'd be more sorry about the factual error in your question when you used the word ';false.';





Anyway, for the Son of The Father to be born a man, He would need to be carried in a pure woman. Mary was kept free from original sin.





Look at Genesis 3. God said to ';the serpent'; that He would put an enmity between ';the woman and her offspring.'; The only man to have an enmity with Satan was Jesus, so ';the woman'; would be His mother, Mary.
Don't apologize if you're not really sorry.





Mary - the Immaculate Ark of the New Covenant


Exodus 25:11-21 - the ark of the Old Covenant was made of the purest gold for God's Word. Mary is the ark of the New Covenant and is the purest vessel for the Word of God made flesh.





2 Sam. 6:7 - the Ark is so holy and pure that when Uzzah touched it, the Lord slew him. This shows us that the Ark is undefiled. Mary the Ark of the New Covenant is even more immaculate and undefiled, spared by God from original sin so that she could bear His eternal Word in her womb.





1 Chron. 13:9-10 - this is another account of Uzzah and the Ark. For God to dwell within Mary the Ark, Mary had to be conceived without sin. For Protestants to argue otherwise would be to say that God would let the finger of Satan touch His Son made flesh. This is incomprehensible.





1 Chron. 15 and 16 - these verses show the awesome reverence the Jews had for the Ark - veneration, vestments, songs, harps, lyres, cymbals, trumpets.





Luke 1:39 / 2 Sam. 6:2 - Luke's conspicuous comparison's between Mary and the Ark described by Samuel underscores the reality of Mary as the undefiled and immaculate Ark of the New Covenant. In these verses, Mary (the Ark) arose and went / David arose and went to the Ark. There is a clear parallel between the Ark of the Old and the Ark of the New Covenant.





Luke 1:41 / 2 Sam. 6:16 - John the Baptist / King David leap for joy before Mary / Ark. So should we leap for joy before Mary the immaculate Ark of the Word made flesh.





Luke 1:43 / 2 Sam. 6:9 - How can the Mother / Ark of the Lord come to me? It is a holy privilege. Our Mother wants to come to us and lead us to Jesus.





Luke 1:56 / 2 Sam. 6:11 and 1 Chron. 13:14 - Mary / the Ark remained in the house for about three months.





Rev 11:19 - at this point in history, the Ark of the Old Covenant was not seen for six centuries (see 2 Macc. 2:7), and now it is finally seen in heaven. The Jewish people would have been absolutely amazed at this. However, John immediately passes over this fact and describes the ';woman'; clothed with the sun in Rev. 12:1. John is emphasizing that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant and who, like the Old ark, is now worthy of veneration and praise. Also remember that Rev. 11:19 and Rev. 12:1 are tied together because there was no chapter and verse at the time these texts were written.





Rev 12:1 - the ';woman'; that John is describing is Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. Just as the moon reflects the light of the sun, so Mary, with the moon under her feet, reflects the glory of the Sun of Justice, Jesus Christ.





Rev. 12:17 - this verse tells us that Mary's offspring are those who keep God's commandments and bear testimony to Jesus. This demonstrates, as Catholics have always believed, that Mary is the Mother of all Christians.





Rev. 12:2 - Some Protestants argue that, because the woman had birth pangs, she was a woman with sin. However, Revelation is apocalyptic literature unique to the 1st century. It contains varied symbolism and multiple meanings of the woman (Mary, the Church and Israel). The birth pangs describe both the birth of the Church and Mary's offspring being formed in Christ. Mary had no birth pangs in delivering her only Son Jesus.





Isaiah 66:7 - for example, we see Isaiah prophesying that before she (Mary) was in labor she gave birth; before her pain came upon her she was delivered of a son (Jesus). This is a Marian prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus Christ.





Gal 4:19 - Paul also describes his pain as birth pangs in forming the disciples in Christ. Birth pangs describe formation in Christ.





Rom. 8:22 - also, Paul says the whole creation has been groaning in travail before the coming of Christ. We are all undergoing birth pangs because we are being reborn into Jesus Christ.





Jer. 13:21 - Jeremiah describes the birth pangs of Israel, like a woman in travail. Birth pangs are usually used metaphorically in the Scriptures.





Hos. 13:12-13 - Ephraim is also described as travailing in childbirth for his sins. Again, birth pangs are used metaphorically.





Micah 4:9-10 - Micah also describes Jerusalem as being seized by birth pangs like a woman in travail.





Rev. 12:13-16 - in these verses, we see that the devil still seeks to destroy the woman even after the Savior is born. This proves Mary is a danger to satan, even after the birth of Christ. This is because God has given her the power to intercede for us, and we should invoke her assistance in our spiritual lives.
There are no false Catholic doctrines in regards to the sanctity of the womb bearing our Savior. What is false in your opinion so that we can respond to your error. God bless!





In Christ


Fr. Joseph
The Catholic Church doesn't own the doctrine. They didn't make it up.


';.............behold, a virgin shall conceive.................'; That's in the Old Testament. Nothing false about it.
What's an ';Immaculate Virgin Conception Birth';?
There is no such thing as ';False Roman Catholic Doctrine';.
straight from Scripture.
the bible

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