Thursday, February 4, 2010

Is the belief in purgatory false doctrine?

Well then what does this mean, from the Bible.





2 Maccabees 12


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On the following day, since the task had now become urgent, Judas and his men went to gather up the bodies of the slain and bury them with their kinsmen in their ancestral tombs.


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But under the tunic of each of the dead they found amulets sacred to the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. So it was clear to all that this was why these men had been slain.


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They all therefore praised the ways of the Lord, the just judge who brings to light the things that are hidden.


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7 Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.


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He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;


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for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.


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But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.


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Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.





This is the book that was appended to the original King James Bible though Pope Luther had declared that it was not Scripture.Is the belief in purgatory false doctrine?
Yes it is false doctrine. People have gotten Abraham's bosom confused with the concept of purgatory. In the old testament believers were sent to a place called Abraham's bosom to wait until Christ died on the cross to pay for all sin. This place was a paradise and was said to be on one side of a great chasm separating it and hell. When Christ died for everyone's sin he went and brought the people out of Abraham's bosom and brought them into heaven. Because now they were justified and purified through Christ and could live in his presence. The Catholic concept of purgatory has no basis in scripture. If someone dies they either go to heaven or hell, there is no waiting. Christ has died and so if we accept his gift then we can go to heaven, if not, then hell.Is the belief in purgatory false doctrine?
No it was around from the beginning:


Fundamentalists may be fond of saying the Catholic Church ';invented'; the doctrine of purgatory to make money, but they have difficulty saying just when. Most professional anti-Catholics—the ones who make their living attacking ';Romanism';—seem to place the blame on Pope Gregory the Great, who reigned from A.D. 590–604.





But that hardly accounts for the request of Monica, mother of Augustine, who asked her son, in the fourth century, to remember her soul in his Masses. This would make no sense if she thought her soul would not benefit from prayers, as would be the case if she were in hell or in the full glory of heaven.





Nor does ascribing the doctrine to Gregory explain the graffiti in the catacombs, where Christians during the persecutions of the first three centuries recorded prayers for the dead. Indeed, some of the earliest Christian writings outside the New Testament, like the Acts of Paul and Thecla and the Martyrdom of Perpetua and Felicity (both written during the second century), refer to the Christian practice of praying for the dead. Such prayers would have been offered only if Christians believed in purgatory, even if they did not use that name for it. (See Catholic Answers’ Fathers Know Best tract The Existence of Purgatory for quotations from these and other early Christian sources.)
21 It was the Devil who told Eve: “You positively will not die.” (Genesis 3:4; Revelation 12:9) But she did die; no part of her lived on. That the soul lives on after death is a lie started by the Devil. And it is also a lie, which the Devil has had spread, that the souls of the wicked are tormented in a hell or a purgatory. Since the Bible clearly shows that the dead are unconscious, these teachings could not be true. Actually, neither the word “purgatory” nor the idea of a purgatory is found in the Bible.
Yes.


Pur';ga*to*ry\, n. [Cf. F. purgatoire.] A state or place of purification after death; according to the Roman Catholic creed, a place, or a state believed to exist after death, in which the souls of persons are purified by expiating such offenses committed in this life as do not merit eternal damnation, or in which they fully satisfy the justice of God for sins that have been forgiven. After this purgation from the impurities of sin, the souls are believed to be received into heaven. Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


Cite This Source It directly contradicts the teachings of the Bible. The sin issue has to be taken care of before the last breath is taken.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a ';purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven,'; which is experienced by those ';who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified'; (CCC 1030). It notes that ';this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned'; (CCC 1031).





The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our mortal sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically venial sins and the temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven.








Two Judgments











When we die, we undergo what is called the particular, or individual, judgment. Scripture says that ';it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment'; (Heb. 9:27). We are judged instantly and receive our reward, for good or ill. We know at once what our final destiny will be. At the end of time, when Jesus returns, there will come the general judgment to which the Bible refers, for example, in Matthew 25:31-32: ';When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.'; In this general judgment all our sins will be publicly revealed (Luke 12:2–5).





Augustine said, in The City of God, that ';temporary punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by others after death, by others both now and then; but all of them before that last and strictest judgment'; (21:13). It is between the particular and general judgments, then, that the soul is purified of the remaining consequences of sin: ';I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper'; (Luke 12:59).





Purgatory makes sense because there is a requirement that a soul not just be declared to be clean, but actually be clean, before a man may enter into eternal life. After all, if a guilty soul is merely ';covered,'; if its sinful state still exists but is officially ignored, then it is still a guilty soul. It is still unclean.





Catholic theology takes seriously the notion that ';nothing unclean shall enter heaven.'; From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed soul, even if ';covered,'; remains a dirty soul and isn’t fit for heaven. It needs to be cleansed or ';purged'; of its remaining imperfections. The cleansing occurs in purgatory. Indeed, the necessity of the purging is taught in other passages of Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:13, which declares that God chose us ';to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit.'; Sanctification is thus not an option, something that may or may not happen before one gets into heaven. It is an absolute requirement, as Hebrews 12:14 states that we must strive ';for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.';


It is entirely correct to say that Christ accomplished all of our salvation for us on the cross. But that does not settle the question of how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it is applied to us over the course of time through, among other things, the process of sanctification through which the Christian is made holy. Sanctification involves suffering (Rom. 5:3–5), and purgatory is the final stage of sanctification that some of us need to undergo before we enter heaven. Purgatory is the final phase of Christ’s applying to us the purifying redemption that he accomplished for us by his death on the cross.


Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have been part of the true religion since before the time of Christ. Not only can we show it was practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees, but it has even been retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a prayer known as the Mourner’s Kaddish for eleven months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one may be purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of purgatory. Rather, any change in the original teaching has taken place in the Protestant churches, which rejected a doctrine that had always been believed by Jews and Christians.
The Church believes in and preaches about Purgatory. You will here a lot of different things about Purgatory but it is important to go directly to an authoritative source if you want the Church's stance.





The word Purgatory holds similar Biblical status to such things as ';The Incanartion'; and ';The Trinity'; as these words were not used in the Bible, but the concepts are there, and these doctrines are Biblically based. Even the word Bible is not in the Bible. In fact, the only implication of the Bible's compilation comes from Maccabees.





Purgatory is a place or state in which the soul of a Heaven bound person is cleansed before entering the full presence of God. We have taints that make us prone to sin. We have taints from personal sin. We may have fond memories associated with sin, even though we may regret the sin itself. Purgatory cleans all that away because as the Bible says ';nothing impure will enter Heaven.';





Purgatory is not about Christ's work being insufficent. It's about our cleaning made complete and ';powered by'; the sacrifice of Christ.





Jesus died for the spiritual consequence of sin so that we may be forgiven. We also still need to be sorry for what we have done and we may still need to be disciplined (See Hebrews 12)





You will also heart people say that ';The Church doesn't believe in that anymore.'; That is incorrect. They refer to ';Limbo'; or more appropriately, ';The Limbo Of The Unbaptised.'; This referred to the place where unbaptised babies go to. The Church never made any official proclamations on this. It never said it existed. It has always been, a speculation of theologians and that is all.





The Church still believes in the ';Limbo of the Fathers'; also known as ';Sheol'; or ';Abraham's Bossom.'; Sheol is mentioned in both the OT and NT. Jesus mentions Sheol in Luke 16, showing that the afterlife is a little more broad than just a simple ';either Heaven or Hell'; schematic.





While it was not ';spelled out plainly'; in the Bible, the foundations for the doctrine of Purgatory are clearly Biblical. For instance, The Bible clearly states that nothing impure will enter Heaven. Therefor we must be cleaned. In fact, for this reason, Protestant doctrine demands Purgatory more than Catholicism does. this is because Protestantism says that we are inherently corrupt and will continue to sin until the very instant of death.
Yes. There is no support for this doctrine to be found in the canonical books of the Bible, although certain passages in the Apocrypha seem to support it.
';Purgatory'; is a completely false doctrine, and is a blasphemy against Jesus Christ and His blood and His redemption.
Absolutely. No mention whatsoever in the Word of God. I will give you a crisp $100 bill if you can find a shred of it in the Bible.
Yes. It's a Catholic doctrine only. It is never mentioned in the bible.
I don't believe in purgatory. It's not in the bible.
It is true not all things are in the bible. But here is a passages from it Revelation21:27 and Matthew 22:1-14
I don't think so. Where did those souls reside before Jesus opened the gates of Heaven? Not all of them went to hell, not by a long-shot!
Yes, it is a man-made concept, it isn't a bible teaching.
Purgatory isn't real.





So, yeah.
It is in the Catholic Bible.
The Bible does not mention this at all...
Can you find it anywhere in the Bible?
Purgatory is a CATHOLIC doctine and view point. It is no less false or true then anyone else's notion of the afterlife. It is just one perspective of it. I call it paradise - spirit prison, as CHrist promised the thieves on the cross. Similiar idea - different interpretation no doubt.
It is based on the belief that nobody who is not perfect can enter heaven. None of us can claim to be perfect by the time we die, so there is a need to purify us prior to our entry into the kingdom of God. So yes, I believe in the doctrine of purgatory.
Purgatory, Reincarnation, Ghosts


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Yes.And belief in hell and heaven too.

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