Wednesday, February 10, 2010

Does the doctrine of a savior place a false barrier between a person and god/divine/love?

it is a construction, real or not, that places man in a state of belief in separation from god, or the divine - love - a separation that, i believe, is evidently false and misleading and a great cause of suffering - not to mention casting man in the role of an ignoble sinner - a role he has a terrible tendency to fulfill. any connection that is offered is conditional on obedience and belief in certain doctrine.





perhaps if man were raised with the idea that his ultimate connection to love is unbreakable, that the love he seeks is not something apart from himself that he must beg for, but is a fact of his existance - perhaps then he wouldn't act with such cruelty - as he does when he is told he must obey certain rules and concepts or be forever separated from love.





the doctrines of the yogis and the buddhists indicate that this is so - this unbreakable connection in man with the divine.





i think any doctrine that torments man with the idea that he is or can be separate from god/love is the closest thing we can get to true evil, and should be treated accordingly.Does the doctrine of a savior place a false barrier between a person and god/divine/love?
If a person is standing between you and God and claiming only him and his preachings can help you to meet God, I think he is the biggest barrier.





But if he is standing beside you and introduce you to God, I think he is the real Guru. A Loving Guru not the barrier.





Learn from the experiences of the people who lives on this earth and have knowledge, the pure and divine knowledge.





Don't think that only a heavenly person can take you closer to God/love or whatever.





We all are the children of God and we all are equal for him.Does the doctrine of a savior place a false barrier between a person and god/divine/love?
The evil comes from the sinful nature of every human and thus the separation from God. Yet God gives us a way to bridge that gap, by believing in Jesus as Savior.


You are wanting to deny an undeniable fact.
Sin is a cattle prod.
';should be treated accordingly.';





Now you're beginning to speak my language.
In the same way that sciences and technologies set us people apart from the more earthly natural ecologies
I disagree because I believe that all human beings know on some level that they are not God...and we're all aware at an early age that human beings aren't capable of perfect love. The combination of feeling inferior to God, the guilt caused by our inability to show perfect love to others, and our disappointment when others fail to love us unconditionally leads to a mental separation between us and God and between us and the concept of divine (or perfect) love. We instinctively believe that if we aren't capable of giving it, then we don't deserve to receive it.





Would that it were possible to raise a human being with the idea that his ultimate connection to love is unbreakable...with that idea so firmly entrenched that the conditional love or hatred of other people and the person's inability to consistently demonstrate love to others wouldn't shake their conviction that they are worthy of such love.





Jesus came to deliver a message that frees us from the mental barriers we put between ourselves and God...to save us from ourselves. The essence of the message of Jesus is the same as you suggested...that God loves us...that our connection with him cannot be broken by our mistakes...that we can trust him to be faithful to forgive us for all the times we doubt his love and all the times we fail to demonstrate his love to others.

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