Monday, February 8, 2010

True or False? The doctrine of the deity of Christ was not the result of the Council of Nicea.?

True. The doctrine of the deity of Christ was presented first in the OT and then in the NT both of which were hundreds of years before Nicea came along.True or False? The doctrine of the deity of Christ was not the result of the Council of Nicea.?
The deity of Christ was the issue at the council of Nicea.





The council pronounced which wasn't biblical that the Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost are one in substance, and essence.True or False? The doctrine of the deity of Christ was not the result of the Council of Nicea.?
';Nope, in trying to explain that I and my Father are one'; Someone came up with this weird 3 in 1 and 1 in 3 making Christ and God magicians, and liars. I am sticking with the 3 personages. Two have bodies, one is still in the spirit. Let Us make man in Our Image
False. To those of you who claim that the deity of Christ was established in the writings of Paul in the 1st Century, that may well be true. But it was not ';official'; Christian doctrine until it was decided upon at the Council of Nicea.
The Idea of Jesus as God was first conceived by St Paul, it grew throughout the 2nd and 3rd C, until it was ratified at the council of Nicea in 325, thus becoming part of the orthodox cannon. Athanasius ans Augustine, were both major contributors to making this theory real to the faithful.





read Augustine's ';On Christian Doctrine'; you can down load it from the Internet.
False.





Although such ecumenical councils routinely invented unscriptural ideas and adopted others from pagan false worship, the Bible itself rather plainly calls Jesus a ';god'; or deity.





Of course, the relative godship of Jesus certainly does not interfere with the Bible truth that Almighty Jehovah (';God the Father';) has no peers. Yet, the bible plainly mentions other ';gods';.


.. ..(1 Corinthians 8:5) there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth





Jesus as ';a god';: (John 1:1; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:18)


Angels as 'gods': (Psalm 82:1)


Satan as a 'god': (2 Corinthians 4:4)


Human judges as ';gods';: (Psalm 82:6-8)





Acknowledging the existence of other ';gods'; does not imply that any of these other ';gods'; are the peer of Almighty Jehovah, God the Father. Jehovah is ';the one true God'; in the sense that He has no rival.


.. ..(Psalm 86:8,10) There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah... You are God, you alone.


.. ..(Exodus 22:20) One who sacrifices to any gods but Jehovah alone is to be devoted to destruction.
The question was one of symantics. The statement ';The Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit'; were interpreted by Easter Orthodoxy to mean that Jesus came from God, and the Holy Spirit came from Jesus. By deleting the ';and'; between Father and Son, it then is interpreted as Jesus and the Holy Spirit come from God. We can see that the words pretty much say the same thing, but it continues to cause a schism between the Eastern Orthodoxy and the Roman Catholic church.
True, The nicea counsel was way after the writings of the bible, it is a man made doctrine.
True.
Well, just going off of what I've read in the past and what I could scrounge up on the net recently, I'd say your statement is true.


Jesus as deity was systemized in the Council of Nicea and enforced through the Nicene Creed.


As I understand it, anyway.
True.


The deity of Christ is mentioned right throughout the Bible and in the old Testament He is concealed and revealed in the New Testament. Those who oppose Jesus Christ and do not want to worship Him like the devil has always been trying to do will say many things and try to prove the unprovable
FALSE
Hello,





True: Here is an interesting article on this:





';Christ claimed He was Yahweh, He was deity (not just ';a god'; - but the True God), His followers (Jews who would have been terrified of idolatry) believed Him and referred to Him as such. Christ proved His claims to deity through miracles including the world-altering resurrection. No other hypothesis would be able explain these facts.








In addition to Jesus’ specific claims about Himself (see Is Jesus God?), His disciples also acknowledged the deity of Christ. They claimed that Jesus had the right to forgive sins - something only God can do, as it is God who is offended by sin (Acts 5:31; Colossians 3:13; cf. Psalm 130:4; Jeremiah 31:34). In close connection with this last claim, Jesus is also said to be the one who will ';judge the living and the dead” (2 Timothy 4:1). Thomas cried out to Jesus, ';my Lord and my God!” (John 20:28). Paul calls Jesus “great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13), and points out that prior to His incarnation Jesus existed in the “form of God” (Philippians 2:5–8). The writer to the Hebrews says regarding Jesus that “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever” (Hebrews 1:8). John states that, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [Jesus] was God” (John 1:1). Examples of Scriptures that teach the deity of Christ could be multiplied (see Revelation 1:17; 2:8; 22:13; 1 Corinthians 10:4; 1 Peter 2:6–8; cf. Psalm 18:2; 95:1; 1 Peter 5:4; Hebrews 13:20), but even one of these is enough to show that Christ was considered to be deity by His followers.





Jesus is also given titles that are unique to Yahweh (the formal name of God) in the Old Testament. The Old Testament title “redeemer” (Psalm 130:7; Hosea 13:14) is used of Jesus in the New Testament (Titus 2:13; Revelation 5:9). Jesus is called Immanuel (';God with us'; in Matthew 1). In Zechariah 12:10, it is Yahweh who says, “They will look on me, the one they have pierced.” But the New Testament applies this to Jesus’ crucifixion (John 19:37; Revelation 1:7). If it is Yahweh who is pierced and looked upon, and Jesus was the one pierced and looked upon, then Jesus is Yahweh. Paul interprets Isaiah 45:22–23 as applying to Jesus in Philippians 2:10–11. Further, Jesus’ name is used alongside Yahweh’s in prayer “Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ” (Galatians 1:3; Ephesians 1:2). This would be blasphemy if Christ were not deity. The name of Jesus appears with Yahweh's in Jesus' commanded to baptize “in the name [singular] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19; see also 2 Corinthians 13:14.





Actions that can be accomplished only by God are credited to Jesus. Jesus not only raised the dead (John 5:21; 11:38–44), and forgave sins (Acts 5:31; 13:38), He created and sustains the universe (John 1:2; Colossians 1:16-17)! This point is made even more forceful when one considers that Yahweh said He was alone during creation (Isaiah 44:24). Further, Christ possesses attributes that only deity can have: eternality (John 8:58), omnipresence (Matthew 18:20, 28:20), omniscience (Matthew 16:21), omnipotence (John 11:38-44).





Now, it is one thing to claim to be God or to fool someone into believing it is true, and something else entirely to prove it to be so. Christ offered as proof of His claim to deity many miracles and even rose from the dead. Just a few of Jesus' miracles include turning water to wine (John 2:7), walking on water (Matthew 14:25), multiplying physical objects (John 6:11), healing the blind (John 9:7), the lame (Mark 2:3), and the sick (Matthew 9:35; Mark 1:40–42), and even raising people from the dead (John 11:43–44; Luke 7:11–15; Mark 5:35). Moreover, Christ Himself rose from the dead. Far from the so-called dying and rising gods of pagan mythology, nothing like the resurrection is seriously claimed by other religions - and no other claim has as much extra-scriptural confirmation. According to Dr. Gary Habermas, there are at least twelve historical facts that even non-Christian critical scholars will admit:





1. Jesus died by crucifixion.


2. He was buried.


3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.


4. Jesus' tomb was discovered (or claimed to be discovered) to be empty a few days later.


5. The disciples believed they experienced appearances of the risen Jesus.


6. After this the disciples were transformed from doubters into bold believers.


7. This message was the center of preaching in the early Church.


8. This message was preached in Jerusalem.


9. As a result of this preaching, the Church was born and it grew.


10. Resurrection day, Sunday, replaced the Sabbath (Saturday) as the primary day of worship.


11. James, a skeptic, was converted when he also believed that he saw the resurrected Jesus.


12. Paul, an enemy of Christianity, was converted by an experience which he believed to be an appearance of the risen Jesus.





Even if someone were to object to this specific list, only a few are needed to prove the resurrection and establish the gospel: Jesus' death, burial, resurrection, and appearances (1 Corinthians 15:1-5). While there may be some theories to explain one or two of the above facts, only the resurrection explains and accounts for them all. Critics admit that the disciples claimed they saw the risen Jesus. Neither lies nor hallucinations can transform people the way the resurrection did. First, what would they have had to gain? Christianity wasn't popular and it certainly did not make them any money. Second, liars do not make good martyrs. There is no better explanation than the resurrection for the disciples’ willingness to die horrible deaths for their faith. Yes, lots of people die for lies that they think are true, but no one dies for what they know is untrue.





Michael
False. The deity of Christ is is thoroughly emphasized by St. Paul in his 13 epistles and by John in the 4th gospel. Asserted by Jesus Christ Himself (John 10:30) The council of Nicea just came out after hundreds of years studying the Bible and accumulating all the facts of His deity, the council of Nicea came out to be the ultimate Christian doctrine during those times. And yet the Bible is an exhustive Book .
oldguy is an ignorant dumbass, the New testament is a result of the Council of Nicea there was no such thing as the New Testament until after the Council of Nicea.
It was made official for Christianity by the order of the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. The books to go in the New Testement were also decided on then.

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