Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Examined yourselves do you really believed God's Holy Words or the words of your leaders? your catechism? I know for a fact that Catholic believed that their leaders is vicar for Christ but what verse in the Holy Words of God that can truly justify such claim and belief? if Catholic can show me the verse that could support such claim then every question i asks or answers i submit you can delete all for your own pleasure and rejoice because you have proven your pope is vicar(Vicar
VIC'AR, n. [L. vicarius, from vicis, a turn, or its root.]
1. In a general sense, a person deputed or authorized to perform the functions of another; a substitute in office. The pope pretends to be vicar of Jesus Christ on earth. He has under him a grand vicar, who is a cardinal, and whose jurisdiction extends over all priests, regular and secular.)
As Christ Jesus said; Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Act 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
Act 4:9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Besides, if Catholic claimed Apostle Peter as their first pope then why Apostle Peter said; Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.Catholics: do you believed the Holy Words of God? If you say yes then why not scrutinized your false doctrines?
The man is asking catholics to examine what they believe in. He is doing Gods work. If you see a sheep lost, it is your duty to do so. Just the same, it is your duty to open your mind as well to what you your self are wrong about. This is what a christian is asked to do. What purpose does it serve one to seek God, but take the wrong path.Catholics: do you believed the Holy Words of God? If you say yes then why not scrutinized your false doctrines?
Why do you make false claims against them? They do follow the word of God.
God would frown upon what you are doing right now. Shame on you.
Why do you hate Christians?
You forgot to put in the main quote in 2 Thessalonians chapter two about the man of lawlessness who sets himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be God. There should not be in my mind any division between clergy and laity because we are all one in Christ Jesus-Galatianss chapter 3. I know I will upset Roman Catholics but it really makes me want to vomit when they go on about making a saint of Mary Mac Killop. Mr Rudd, Australia's Prime Minister) made a famous stop over in Rome so he could garner some votes on his way back to Australia because he did not get his way at the Copenhagen Climate conference.
I'm not Catholic, and I've never been Catholic. Up until just a couple years ago, I was moderately anti-Catholic, actually. I felt that they were Christians, but I also believed that they had a lot of unbiblical and false doctrines. What changed? I studied it for myself, instead of taking the word of other people.
Nothing you've stated here goes against any Catholic belief or doctrine. The Pope is actually considered the apostolic successor of Peter, who was given the keys to heaven and Earth by Jesus Christ Himself. Peter was chosen to give direction to the budding Christian church. Why would Jesus leave His Holy Church without any kind of central leadership? Do you really think that He intended for us to be splintered into 30,000+ sects (and counting), fighting amongst ourselves? We act just like the apostles did, when they were arguing who was the greatest. ';WE are the one true church!'; ';No, WE are! Those other people have false beliefs!'; ';You guys are both wrong, WE are the one true church!'; Meanwhile, non-Christians see how we fight each other, and they say, ';Where is this peace that Jesus is supposed to provide? There's nothing but strife amongst His followers.';
How disappointed in us is Jesus going to be when He comes back? We act just like children. It's past time for us to instead be one body of Christ, regardless of denomination. It's okay for us to disagree, but when we start making up lies about other denominations' doctrines and expounding them as false when they may or may not be, we're sinning. Paul warned us against these things, didn't he? Believers who stir up strife against their brothers? And isn't something like this in the OT too, where God said that He HATES that kind of behavior? Maybe we should watch ourselves. I wouldn't want to do something that God HATES, would you?
Why do some Christians attack those of other denominations? It only makes atheists like me even more grateful not to be a part of religion.
I to want to know why Catholics call the pope God. When you here them say Holy Father do you think of God or the Pope?
Jesus used the name only once in the Bible when he was talking to God, so Why do they Call the Pope God?
Here's a new Commandment of God that he just passed on to me...
';Thou Shalt Not...
...Go Crazy with the bible quotes in a very frenetic and agitated way, accusing an entire vaguely lumped group of people have having an ';opinion'; different than your's (which is what ';your'; case is, and ';opinion';) and thou shalt not be a hypocrite, which is when you accuse somebody of the very same thing that you yourself are guilty of...now...
I forgive you for being rude to ';Catholics'; and taking on a ';My Way or The Highway'; bad attitude, and so does God because he's a real cool dude that way, but that ';doth not'; mean that you are allowed to be impolite about this debate in the future...
Now say 3 hail whatevers, look at yourself in the mirror from time to time and realize thou shalt not judge lest ye be judged, thou not shalt throw stones or point fingers at people or notice the sticks in their eyes when you have a log in your own, I believe Jesus was trying to teach that, remember?
call me dumb but i have no idea what you're trying to ask
:faith is believing something that has not been proven
answer mine?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?鈥?/a>
Protestants belief鈥檚 are anti-Biblical and Satanic.
Their churches didn鈥檛 start until 1500鈥?years after Christ
They express their imbecility with poorly trained Protestant Ministers making their own top ten list for salvation .And Preach the Gospel according to themselves. Which is fraudulent theology and errant preaching which becomes inane protestant rants and not scripture.. Which crafts their own versions of Faith.
They are just charlatans plain and simple
Sola Scriptura cant be found in the bible. No Christian or Jew ever practiced it or dreamt it up.
Once saved always saved cant be found in the Bible. No Christian or Jew ever practiced it or dreamt it up.
They commandeered the word Christian coined by a Catholic in the Books of Acts to Describe catholic belief. Then say Catholics aren鈥檛 Christian and stole their word to describe their satanic beliefs.
They Deleted Inspired books from the Bible and believe a Council of Jews Had the authority to set the Cannon of the Christian Bible. The Jews at the Council removed ever vestige of Christian teaching at the time to put down the Christian Faith . Which include most of the prophesy of the Messiah Jesus contained in these books the first Christians were using. They even named a Jewish Messiah at this counsel Jamima.
They Changed the Listing and wording of the Ten Commandments written in the Bible.
They Believe the Bible to be the Inspired word of God . It says that no place in Scripture It is a catholic Teaching not a Jewish or protestant teaching.
They believe the Old Testament to be inspired It says that no place in Scripture.
They believe a few Lines of scripture Is all that you need to be saved in spite of numerous verses to the contrary.
They only believe in a few lines of scripture not the whole of the bible.
Their churches were all formed by the Opinion of one Man.
None of their churches teach the same doctrine or dogma.
They have Homo Pastors and priest鈥檚
They have women Pastors and Priests
They have same sex marriages in their churches.
Some believe in Baptism some don鈥檛 contrary to Christ鈥檚 commands.
Their worship is nothing like the first Christian鈥檚 worship of God and Christ.
They believe you can sin as much as you like and be saved.
They preach a prosperity gospel and steal from their flock.
They sell trinkets to get your prayers answered.
They sell water to heal you.
They come up with strange practices like soaking ,Side hugs, words of wisdom, On demand prophesizing ,
Being pregnant with a miracle, Prayer towers, Altars to wave their hands over prayer requests, Untold heresy鈥檚 to get your money and get you on a mailing list..Some require you to speak in tongues to prove your filled with the Holy Spirit and are a Christian.
Some give you a test before they will baptize you.
None preach the whole of the Gospel and teach bigotry and hate in their churches their service consists of a homily on one line of scripture. With a whole lot of trash spoken and self interpretation
They have no idea who coined the word Bible and will only give you their definition of it.
They have no Bishops as defined in the Bible or church hierarchy.
Most don鈥檛 have any requirements to become a pastor.
Their worship service is for entertainment and not worship.
They constantly lie about other faiths even though they are proved wrong, they worship a Unity of Hate instead of Love.
well ahem, as I have attempted to show Truth as He desires, it has accomplished nothing but harsh feelings and bitterness from some :-(although we care, we must reflect and be sensitive to those who may not understand His Holy Truths, I'm praying and still trying to put the Truth out there/here, but in a different way dear :-) I once was a catholic and have many family members through marriages that are catholics and they truly are wonderful peoples, it is a process though when speaking Religious beliefs with them, but no foul :-) I think it's easier when your face to face and can put tones and body language %26amp; smiles with your conversation, much unlike here on R%26amp;S ...God Bless
Wow... I find it amusing how you are an anti-catholic and believe you understand the teachings of Catholicism, which by what you have posted you know nothing at all.
This is going to be another typical argument between reasonable people and stubborn fundamentalists if you know what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx4V1Olle鈥?/a>
Nobody gave a real answer to your question. Im not either, sorry.
But dear asker, have you considered the sacrament of communion? It is practiced in some form by most protestant churches, and is not biblically founded. Emerson wrote an interesting sermon on the subject, 'The Lords Supper' before leaving the pulpit. Id bet youd enjoy it.
Cricket, Ive read a couple of your response, and they have all been thoughtful and well written. But I do hold that we should ensure that all our doctrine is biblically based. The unexamined life is not worth living, the same is true of unexamined faith.
I see people gave Hames a thumbs down? Why would you do that? His answer is not low quality! Its thoughtful and addresses yalls comments if not the question per se,
Wednesday, February 10, 2010
Do you think that the beast religious rules will be all the false doctrines & regulations left behind after th
rapture of the Church?
The extra man made rules %26amp; regulations %26amp; false doctrines that have snuck in Churches or are other cults that have basically rejected the power of the cross (The Redeeming Power of the shed blood of Christ Jesus).
That these will rule as the antichrist or the harlot of abomination? And there will be rules to take the mark (666) to purchase or sell %26amp; to bow to the beast or have your head cut off.Do you think that the beast religious rules will be all the false doctrines %26amp; regulations left behind after th
and he will separate the wheat from the chafe...
and the chafe shall be burned up....
many false doctrines and false theologies..the left behind fallacy,LDS,JW, and westboro of courseDo you think that the beast religious rules will be all the false doctrines %26amp; regulations left behind after th
Didn't anyone tell you, the rapture happened last week. Jesus came and took all the worthy people to heaven.
All the Buddhists are gone.
Love and blessings Don
You are Peter, and I can guarantee that on this rock I will build my church. And the gates of hell will not overpower it.'; Matthew 16:18
The Roman Catholic Church is guaranteed by Christ to be protected when teaching faith and morals through the Holy Spirit. God bless.
you just beasted with this question..
and god doesnt exist, neither does any of that bible stuff
I want whatever you're having.
You read too much misinterpretation and superstition. By the way, its 616, not 666. 616 is in the oldest in most reliable texts, 666 was a misprint (mis-scribing).
no I don麓t think so I麓m not so pessimistic.
The extra man made rules %26amp; regulations %26amp; false doctrines that have snuck in Churches or are other cults that have basically rejected the power of the cross (The Redeeming Power of the shed blood of Christ Jesus).
That these will rule as the antichrist or the harlot of abomination? And there will be rules to take the mark (666) to purchase or sell %26amp; to bow to the beast or have your head cut off.Do you think that the beast religious rules will be all the false doctrines %26amp; regulations left behind after th
and he will separate the wheat from the chafe...
and the chafe shall be burned up....
many false doctrines and false theologies..the left behind fallacy,LDS,JW, and westboro of courseDo you think that the beast religious rules will be all the false doctrines %26amp; regulations left behind after th
Didn't anyone tell you, the rapture happened last week. Jesus came and took all the worthy people to heaven.
All the Buddhists are gone.
Love and blessings Don
You are Peter, and I can guarantee that on this rock I will build my church. And the gates of hell will not overpower it.'; Matthew 16:18
The Roman Catholic Church is guaranteed by Christ to be protected when teaching faith and morals through the Holy Spirit. God bless.
you just beasted with this question..
and god doesnt exist, neither does any of that bible stuff
I want whatever you're having.
You read too much misinterpretation and superstition. By the way, its 616, not 666. 616 is in the oldest in most reliable texts, 666 was a misprint (mis-scribing).
no I don麓t think so I麓m not so pessimistic.
Roman Ctholics: how would you reconcile these verses to your many false doctrines?
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. That each one of us is accountable to God Most High, Lord Jesus Christ, 1Peter 4:5.
False doctrines of Roman Catholics like:
1. confessing to a priest for forgiveness of sin (claiming John 20, yet those powers were given to the Apostles of Christ Jesus and can't be done by ordinary people other than the apostles).
2. Praying and asking the help of dead saints, even mary the wife of joseph (thus you're claiming the prayers of saints in Revelation yet it's all about they're asking God to avenge their persecutor, Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? ) On the other prayers, it is already written in a book , Revelation 5:6-8. The other prayers of saints is all about praising God yet did not even mentioned any prayers from them asking their kin, relatives or friends to be saved, Revelation 4:8.
3. believing in purgatory (refuted by Daniel 12:1-2; 1thessalonians 4:13-17)
4. praying to mary (refuted by Luke 1:30-51)
5. praying for the dead to be saved (refuted by Ecclesiastes 9:4-5; Romans 10:13; Romans 14:11-12)
6. and so many others like the partaking of the bread which is also refuted by (luke 22:19)
7. also baptism of infants(refuted by acts 8:37, that those who submit to baptism is only in obedience to the calling of God, meaning they're saved already before hand and how can an infant can know the Savior Jesus Christ?)
Besides, when apostle Paul still alive he admonished each one to pray without ceasing? 1Thessalonians 5:16-18, and yet how can he asked those already been dead for so long to pray without ceasing? Can you show any verses in the Holy Words of God telling the dead one to pray for their relative that still on earth?
Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
This is a classic example of a dead one praying and asking favor for his relatives , brothers that he knows will not able to make if no one will tell them. but did you noticed the answer of father abraham? in verse 29-31?Roman Ctholics: how would you reconcile these verses to your many false doctrines?
amen it is about the lord jesus christ not a religion or set of beliefs.Roman Ctholics: how would you reconcile these verses to your many false doctrines?
You underestimate the detailed theological arguments that the Roman church have put forward to support their heresies. Waste of time discussing them.
Don't rag on the catholics, their beliefs are just as rational as yours are.
Boy oh Boy where do I start
1/ Acts 1:15-26 - the first thing Peter does after Jesus ascends into heaven is implement apostolic succession. Matthias is ordained with full apostolic authority. Only the Catholic Church can demonstrate an unbroken apostolic lineage to the apostles in union with Peter through the sacrament of ordination and thereby claim to teach with Christ's own authority
Acts 6:6 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority has transferred beyond the original twelve apostles as the Church has grown.
Acts 9:17-19 - even Paul, who was directly chosen by Christ, only becomes a minister after the laying on of hands by a bishop. This is a powerful proof-text for the necessity of sacramental ordination in order to be a legitimate successor of the apostles.
Acts 13:3 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority must come from a Catholic bishop.
Acts 14:23 - the apostles and newly-ordained men appointed elders to have authority throughout the Church
2 Tim. 2:2 - this verse shows God's intention is to transfer authority to successors (here, Paul to Timothy to 3rd to 4th generation). It goes beyond the death of the apostles.
2/ God is the God of the living not the dead. The saints who have gone before us are alive in heaven
Eph. 3:14-15- we are all one family (';Catholic';) in heaven and on earth, united together, as children of the Father, through Jesus Christ. Our brothers and sisters who have gone to heaven before us are not a different family. We are one and the same family. This is why, in the Apostles Creed, we profess a belief in the ';communion of saints.'; There cannot be a ';communion'; if there is no union. Loving beings, whether on earth or in heaven, are concerned for other beings, and this concern is reflected spiritually through prayers for one another.
Rom. 8:35-39 - therefore, death does not separate the family of God and the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond death.
Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 - Jesus converses with ';deceased'; Moses and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth.
Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family.
Luke 15:7,10 – if the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over our repentance, then they are still connected to us and are aware of our behavior.
3/ Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.
Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, ';be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect.'; We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.
Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.
Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master.
Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God's graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.
The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.
1 Cor. 3:15 – “if any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” The phrase for ';suffer loss'; in the Greek is ';zemiothesetai.'; The root word is ';zemioo'; which also refers to punishment. The construction “zemiothesetai” is used in Ex. 21:22 and Prov. 19:19 which refers to punishment (from the Hebrew “anash” meaning “punish” or “penalty”). Hence, this verse proves that there is an expiation of temporal punishment after our death, but the person is still saved. This cannot mean heaven (there is no punishment in heaven) and this cannot mean hell (the possibility of expiation no longer exists and the person is not saved).
1 Cor. 3:15 – further, Paul writes “he himself will be saved, ';but only'; (or “yet so”) as through fire.” “He will be saved” in the Greek is “sothesetai” (which means eternal salvation). The phrase ';but only'; (or “yet so”) in the Greek is ';houtos'; which means ';in the same manner.'; This means that man is both eternally rewarded and eternally saved in the same manner by fire.
1 Cor. 3:13 - when Paul writes about God revealing the quality of each man's work by fire and purifying him, this purification relates to his sins (not just his good works). Protestants, in attempting to disprove the reality of purgatory, argue that Paul was only writing about rewarding good works, and not punishing sins (because punishing and purifying a man from sins would be admitting that there is a purgatory).
4/ Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. ';This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death';; it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:
Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross. There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her: to be given, by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: ';Woman, behold your son.';
The Gospel reveals to us how Mary prays and intercedes in faith. At Cana, the mother of Jesus asks her son for the needs of a wedding feast; this is the sign of another feast - that of the wedding of the Lamb where he gives his body and blood at the request of the Church, his Bride. It is at the hour of the New Covenant, at the foot of the cross, that Mary is heard as the Woman, the new Eve, the true ';Mother of all the living.';
5/ already taken care of
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I'm not done yet
Let's say the Lords Prayer that you might spend your time more productively
Your protests invoke a false doctrine called ';sola scriptura'; which is not biblical.
1. Yes those powers were given to the Apostles. Where in the Bible does it tell us that it ended with the Apostles? Why would Christ give something as important as that to only 12 people, and then have that power fade out with their deaths? They also had the power to baptize, and yet others baptize today and you have no problem with that. The Holy Spirit was ONLY given to the Apostles as well, would you say that ended with their deaths as well? You have no basis for choosing some things the Apostles were given and did as still being valid today and discarding other things that don't fit you beliefs.
Whenever Christ mentions the authority to ';loose and bind'; it is also the only time he mentions the Church. This means that power was given to Peter (first) and the Apostles, in conjunction with their alignment with the Church Christ established.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/confess…
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/primacy…
2. So? What it tells us is that Saints are in heaven and they are praising God. Paul tells us that intercessory prayer is good and pleasing to God. Mary and the Saints are not dead, they have salvation and eternal life in Christ. Asking any member of the Body of Christ to pray for us is ';pleasing to God.'; It does not say that only the prayers of the sinful living on earth are pleasing, it does not differentiate in the Bible. We know that the disciples of Christ and his Mother Mary, must be in heaven with him. They are one with us in Christ and therefore, can pray for us. It makes perfect sense.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/blessed…
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/saints.…
3. It says ';many of those'; who sleep in the earth...not that
ALL will sleep in the earth. When the time of tribulation begins, those who die will sleep until Christ comes again. But we know that others did not. Christ descended into hell and released the souls who had awaited him. Obviously they were not ';asleep in the earth.';
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/purgato…
4. Luke 1:30-51 does not refute praying to Mary. I can't even imagine why you think it does.
5. We don't pray for the dead to be saved. They cannot be saved. But we do pray for the dead who ARE saved, but in purgatory, that their time in purgatory will be less. All souls in purgatory are already saved. This is and always has been the teaching of the Church. So you are not telling us anything we didn't already know.
6. Wrong again in your interpretation of Luke 22:19.
7. Right, when an adult is baptized they must proclaim belief. When an infant is baptized, their promise is made by their parents on their behalf and the grace of baptism is conferred through the parents to the infant. When the child is old enough he/she can make a decision to follow Christ or not. During the Acts of the Apostles, all the ';new converts to Christianity'; were adults because it was a new faith. There were no babies born into Christian families yet. But we do know households were baptized, and certainly this included children. Additionally, we know the early Christians practiced infant baptism, certainly they knew what to do since they had been taught by the Apostles directly. One more thing, Paul compares baptism to circumcision. Infants were brought into the covenant the Jewish people had with God and the sign was circumcision. This was ordered by God. Any man who converted to the Jewish faith had to proclaim the faith and be circumcised, but obviously infants didn't. Paul says that baptism replaces circumcision. God required infants to be circumcized, so it stands to reason that infants should be baptized and brought into the new covenant. Plus, no where in the Bible is the baptizing of infants forbidden.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/baptism…
%26lt;%26lt;Can you show any verses in the Holy Words of God telling the dead one to pray for their relative that still on earth?%26gt;%26gt;
Can you show any verses that say those who have gone before us and are alive in Christ, cannot pray for us? John 3:16 says ';For whosoever believes in me will not die, but have eternal life.'; Those who believe in him have eternal life, why do you say they do not? Why do you say they are dead?
All of your ';protests'; are classic, old and successfully refuted over and over by the Catholic Church.
One question at a time. I do not have time to read a book Chris!
You will find ALL your answers here:http://www.cwo.com/~pentrack/catholic/ap…
Please remember that the Bible remains a Catholic Holy Book, compiled, written, and certified by the Catholic Church, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and reflecting only authentic Catholic beliefs and practices.
Anyone who attempts to interpret it in any other way is simply mistaken.
http://douglawrence.wordpress.com/
I'm not clear on the purpose of your long argument.
Was your purpose to show us your superior knowledge of the scriptures?
Was it an attempt to put down your brothers and sisters in Christ?
Was it offered in an attempt to change the minds of those you are attacking?
I recognize your ability to search the scriptures and to type. I understand that you feel strongly enough about this to argue, but I do not feel the Love of Christ in your words.
If you do not love...........
1. Confession
Some claim that confessing to a priest is not biblical. In John 20, we read of Christ appearing to the disciples on Easter Sunday. He breathed on the apostles giving them the authority to forgive, and not to forgive. This means they had to hear the sins in order to forgive/not forgive. Jesus then says “as the Father has sent me, so I send you”. This means the apostles are to continue Christ’s mission, the essence of which is the forgiveness of sins. In 2 Corinthians, St. Paul describes the apostles as ambassadors of Christ’s work of reconciliation. In the Epistle of James we read that the presbyters (priests) are called to pray for the sick and forgive their sins. Why are priests called to perform this task? Obviously, the priests have an authority that ordinary Christians do not.
It is clear that Christ gave the apostles the power to forgive sins.
The Sacrament of Reconciliation is one of the seven sacraments Christ gave his church. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is also known as the Sacrament of Penance or Confession. This sacrament can set us free from our sins, and from the burden of guilt that comes along with our sins. Through the Sacrament of Reconciliation – confession – we are brought back into union with God. Our sins separate and damage our relationship with our Lord, and it is through this most powerful sacrament that our relationship with the Lord is repaired and strengthened. Through the Sacrament of Reconciliation we can walk more closely with the Lord once again, without the burden of our sins weighing us down and distancing our relationship with God.
Some ask why Catholics confess to a priest rather than just going straight to God. Some claim that confessing to a priest is not biblical. But that is not true.
We confess to a priest because that is the way Jesus instigated the sacrament. It is at his command that we confess to one another. When we sin against the Father our sins also affect our Christian family. Confessing sins to a priest is something that was a universal practice and never debated in the Early Church.
Jesus himself was able to heal not only the physically sick, but the spiritually sick as well. Christ had the power to forgive sins (see Matthew 9:1-8; Mark 2:5-12).
He passed on that power to forgive sins in his name to his Apostles.
';Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again, I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything for which they are to pray, it shall be granted to them by my heavenly Father.'; (Matthew 18:18-19)
';Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I sent you.'; And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, ';Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.'; (John 20:21-23)
Jesus entrusted his Church with the power of forgiving sins through this most wonderful sacrament. The priest is simply the one who acts in persona Christi (in the person of Christ) in the confessional, but it is our Lord who forgives our sins. The priest grants absolution (sets us free from our sins) using the power Jesus entrusted to his Church. It is through Christ, however, that our sins are forgiven.
St. Paul tells us, ';And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us.'; (2 Corinthians 5: 18-20)
Does this mean that we shouldn’t speak and pray directly to God and express sorrow for our sins? Not at all! In fact for daily faults that is exactly what we should be doing. But for more serious offenses, for grave and mortal sins, we must repent and confess through the Sacrament of Reconciliation because that is what Christ commands us to do.
Reconciliation (also known as Confession and Penance): Penance is a Sacrament in which the sins committed after Baptism are forgiven.
Biblical references: Matt 9:2-8; Jn 20:22-23; 2 Cor 5:17-20; James 5:13-16;
Matt 18:18; 1 Jn 5:16
2.Intersession of Saints
The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us.
Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, ';Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!'; (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalm 148 we pray, ';Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!'; (Ps. 148:1-2)
Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In Revelation, John sees that ';the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, eac
You really should break this up into separate questions. I would like to give you detailed answers but Y!A now limits the lengths of our answers.
In addition to the many good biblical references addressed in other answers, the Catholic Church does not use Holy Scripture as the only basis of doctrine. It could not. The early Catholic church existed before and during the time that the New Testament was written.
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. (John 16:12-13)
Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thessalonians 2:15)
We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us. (2 Thessalonians 3:6)
I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you. (1 Corinthians 11:2)
There were hundreds of Christian writings during the first and second centuries. Which New Testament writings would become official was not fully decided until about 400 C.E.
Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit was guiding the early church (and is guiding the church today) to make the correct choices about things like:
• The Holy Trinity (which is also only hinted at in the Bible)
• Going to church on Sunday instead of Saturday (which is actually directly against one of the Ten Commandments)
• The Communion of Saints
• Which writings include in the New Testament?
Things that are even more modern like
• Slavery is bad. Slavery is never declared evil in the Bible. This was one of the justifications for slavery in the Confederate States.
• Democracy is good. The Bible states that either God should be the leader of the nation like Israel before the kings or kings should be the leader, ';Give to Caesar that which is Caesar's.'; This was talked about a lot during the American Revolution.
This second source of doctrine is called Apostolic Tradition.
Do Christians who do not allow the continuing guiding force of the Holy Spirit to make their beliefs more and more perfect, still endorse slavery as Colossians 3:22 commands, ';Slaves, obey your human masters in everything';?
For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 80 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1s…
With love in Christ.
The Catholic doctrine is not false. Au contraire, my fine friend, it is the Catholic church that is going to save the world, including your sorry butt. When all is said and done, we could be fast friends.
I can never understand how other Christians who claim to love Christ hate their own brothers in Christ.
Christ, this I know, loves me. It goes deep, and He has never ever steered me wrong. If I end up in a place I shouldn't be, it is because I was the one who strayed from Him and His most wonderful church on this planet Earth.
Do not let hatred cloud your view of the one true thing in this life.
Let me guess, you are demonstrating eisegesis to demonstrate the absurdity of such practice. Or perhaps you have no training in biblical exegesis and the Scriptures are confounding your judgment. Perhaps theological concepts are beyond your intellectual ability.
Just a suggestion, try using all of Scriptures instead of proof texting to prove your ridiculous assumptions. Use a little scholarship. Perhaps you are blinded in understanding by a spirit of hatred and contention. God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
If you would like more answers, consider asking around this site as well...
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My goodness, aren't you impressive.
The Scriptural basis for all Catholic doctrines, including the ones for which you've chosen to cherry-pick Bible verses in an attempt to refute, can be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. May I suggest that you take the time to look these up at your leisure from that resource? Scripture verses are heavily cross-referenced throughout the Catechism. I've provided the link below to save you the trouble of a Google search.
That is, if you're truly concerned about the Scriptural foundation for these doctrines (perhaps you're considering a conversion? I can't think of very many other legitimate reasons for Christians to grill other Christians like this.) However, if you're just posting this because you think Catholics have to answer to you, get in line and take a number. You're hardly the first to think you're an authority because you've read into the Bible what you want to find there.
To put it bluntly: If you think Catholic doctrines are ';false';, then by all means don't become Catholic. Tend to your own walk with Christ; we have no problem with answering to God, but this is one Catholic (and former Baptist) who doesn't feel obliged to ';reconcile'; anything to every prejudiced nitwit who comes along and demands it.
Great!!! Which monastery did you come from. Just joking. Impressive research.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. That each one of us is accountable to God Most High, Lord Jesus Christ, 1Peter 4:5.
False doctrines of Roman Catholics like:
1. confessing to a priest for forgiveness of sin (claiming John 20, yet those powers were given to the Apostles of Christ Jesus and can't be done by ordinary people other than the apostles).
2. Praying and asking the help of dead saints, even mary the wife of joseph (thus you're claiming the prayers of saints in Revelation yet it's all about they're asking God to avenge their persecutor, Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? ) On the other prayers, it is already written in a book , Revelation 5:6-8. The other prayers of saints is all about praising God yet did not even mentioned any prayers from them asking their kin, relatives or friends to be saved, Revelation 4:8.
3. believing in purgatory (refuted by Daniel 12:1-2; 1thessalonians 4:13-17)
4. praying to mary (refuted by Luke 1:30-51)
5. praying for the dead to be saved (refuted by Ecclesiastes 9:4-5; Romans 10:13; Romans 14:11-12)
6. and so many others like the partaking of the bread which is also refuted by (luke 22:19)
7. also baptism of infants(refuted by acts 8:37, that those who submit to baptism is only in obedience to the calling of God, meaning they're saved already before hand and how can an infant can know the Savior Jesus Christ?)
Besides, when apostle Paul still alive he admonished each one to pray without ceasing? 1Thessalonians 5:16-18, and yet how can he asked those already been dead for so long to pray without ceasing? Can you show any verses in the Holy Words of God telling the dead one to pray for their relative that still on earth?
Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
This is a classic example of a dead one praying and asking favor for his relatives , brothers that he knows will not able to make if no one will tell them. but did you noticed the answer of father abraham? in verse 29-31?Roman Ctholics: how would you reconcile these verses to your many false doctrines?
amen it is about the lord jesus christ not a religion or set of beliefs.Roman Ctholics: how would you reconcile these verses to your many false doctrines?
You underestimate the detailed theological arguments that the Roman church have put forward to support their heresies. Waste of time discussing them.
Don't rag on the catholics, their beliefs are just as rational as yours are.
Boy oh Boy where do I start
1/ Acts 1:15-26 - the first thing Peter does after Jesus ascends into heaven is implement apostolic succession. Matthias is ordained with full apostolic authority. Only the Catholic Church can demonstrate an unbroken apostolic lineage to the apostles in union with Peter through the sacrament of ordination and thereby claim to teach with Christ's own authority
Acts 6:6 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority has transferred beyond the original twelve apostles as the Church has grown.
Acts 9:17-19 - even Paul, who was directly chosen by Christ, only becomes a minister after the laying on of hands by a bishop. This is a powerful proof-text for the necessity of sacramental ordination in order to be a legitimate successor of the apostles.
Acts 13:3 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority must come from a Catholic bishop.
Acts 14:23 - the apostles and newly-ordained men appointed elders to have authority throughout the Church
2 Tim. 2:2 - this verse shows God's intention is to transfer authority to successors (here, Paul to Timothy to 3rd to 4th generation). It goes beyond the death of the apostles.
2/ God is the God of the living not the dead. The saints who have gone before us are alive in heaven
Eph. 3:14-15- we are all one family (';Catholic';) in heaven and on earth, united together, as children of the Father, through Jesus Christ. Our brothers and sisters who have gone to heaven before us are not a different family. We are one and the same family. This is why, in the Apostles Creed, we profess a belief in the ';communion of saints.'; There cannot be a ';communion'; if there is no union. Loving beings, whether on earth or in heaven, are concerned for other beings, and this concern is reflected spiritually through prayers for one another.
Rom. 8:35-39 - therefore, death does not separate the family of God and the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond death.
Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 - Jesus converses with ';deceased'; Moses and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth.
Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family.
Luke 15:7,10 – if the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over our repentance, then they are still connected to us and are aware of our behavior.
3/ Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.
Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, ';be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect.'; We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.
Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.
Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master.
Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God's graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.
The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.
1 Cor. 3:15 – “if any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” The phrase for ';suffer loss'; in the Greek is ';zemiothesetai.'; The root word is ';zemioo'; which also refers to punishment. The construction “zemiothesetai” is used in Ex. 21:22 and Prov. 19:19 which refers to punishment (from the Hebrew “anash” meaning “punish” or “penalty”). Hence, this verse proves that there is an expiation of temporal punishment after our death, but the person is still saved. This cannot mean heaven (there is no punishment in heaven) and this cannot mean hell (the possibility of expiation no longer exists and the person is not saved).
1 Cor. 3:15 – further, Paul writes “he himself will be saved, ';but only'; (or “yet so”) as through fire.” “He will be saved” in the Greek is “sothesetai” (which means eternal salvation). The phrase ';but only'; (or “yet so”) in the Greek is ';houtos'; which means ';in the same manner.'; This means that man is both eternally rewarded and eternally saved in the same manner by fire.
1 Cor. 3:13 - when Paul writes about God revealing the quality of each man's work by fire and purifying him, this purification relates to his sins (not just his good works). Protestants, in attempting to disprove the reality of purgatory, argue that Paul was only writing about rewarding good works, and not punishing sins (because punishing and purifying a man from sins would be admitting that there is a purgatory).
4/ Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. ';This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death';; it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:
Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross. There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her: to be given, by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: ';Woman, behold your son.';
The Gospel reveals to us how Mary prays and intercedes in faith. At Cana, the mother of Jesus asks her son for the needs of a wedding feast; this is the sign of another feast - that of the wedding of the Lamb where he gives his body and blood at the request of the Church, his Bride. It is at the hour of the New Covenant, at the foot of the cross, that Mary is heard as the Woman, the new Eve, the true ';Mother of all the living.';
5/ already taken care of
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I'm not done yet
Let's say the Lords Prayer that you might spend your time more productively
Your protests invoke a false doctrine called ';sola scriptura'; which is not biblical.
1. Yes those powers were given to the Apostles. Where in the Bible does it tell us that it ended with the Apostles? Why would Christ give something as important as that to only 12 people, and then have that power fade out with their deaths? They also had the power to baptize, and yet others baptize today and you have no problem with that. The Holy Spirit was ONLY given to the Apostles as well, would you say that ended with their deaths as well? You have no basis for choosing some things the Apostles were given and did as still being valid today and discarding other things that don't fit you beliefs.
Whenever Christ mentions the authority to ';loose and bind'; it is also the only time he mentions the Church. This means that power was given to Peter (first) and the Apostles, in conjunction with their alignment with the Church Christ established.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/confess…
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/primacy…
2. So? What it tells us is that Saints are in heaven and they are praising God. Paul tells us that intercessory prayer is good and pleasing to God. Mary and the Saints are not dead, they have salvation and eternal life in Christ. Asking any member of the Body of Christ to pray for us is ';pleasing to God.'; It does not say that only the prayers of the sinful living on earth are pleasing, it does not differentiate in the Bible. We know that the disciples of Christ and his Mother Mary, must be in heaven with him. They are one with us in Christ and therefore, can pray for us. It makes perfect sense.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/blessed…
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/saints.…
3. It says ';many of those'; who sleep in the earth...not that
ALL will sleep in the earth. When the time of tribulation begins, those who die will sleep until Christ comes again. But we know that others did not. Christ descended into hell and released the souls who had awaited him. Obviously they were not ';asleep in the earth.';
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/purgato…
4. Luke 1:30-51 does not refute praying to Mary. I can't even imagine why you think it does.
5. We don't pray for the dead to be saved. They cannot be saved. But we do pray for the dead who ARE saved, but in purgatory, that their time in purgatory will be less. All souls in purgatory are already saved. This is and always has been the teaching of the Church. So you are not telling us anything we didn't already know.
6. Wrong again in your interpretation of Luke 22:19.
7. Right, when an adult is baptized they must proclaim belief. When an infant is baptized, their promise is made by their parents on their behalf and the grace of baptism is conferred through the parents to the infant. When the child is old enough he/she can make a decision to follow Christ or not. During the Acts of the Apostles, all the ';new converts to Christianity'; were adults because it was a new faith. There were no babies born into Christian families yet. But we do know households were baptized, and certainly this included children. Additionally, we know the early Christians practiced infant baptism, certainly they knew what to do since they had been taught by the Apostles directly. One more thing, Paul compares baptism to circumcision. Infants were brought into the covenant the Jewish people had with God and the sign was circumcision. This was ordered by God. Any man who converted to the Jewish faith had to proclaim the faith and be circumcised, but obviously infants didn't. Paul says that baptism replaces circumcision. God required infants to be circumcized, so it stands to reason that infants should be baptized and brought into the new covenant. Plus, no where in the Bible is the baptizing of infants forbidden.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/baptism…
%26lt;%26lt;Can you show any verses in the Holy Words of God telling the dead one to pray for their relative that still on earth?%26gt;%26gt;
Can you show any verses that say those who have gone before us and are alive in Christ, cannot pray for us? John 3:16 says ';For whosoever believes in me will not die, but have eternal life.'; Those who believe in him have eternal life, why do you say they do not? Why do you say they are dead?
All of your ';protests'; are classic, old and successfully refuted over and over by the Catholic Church.
One question at a time. I do not have time to read a book Chris!
You will find ALL your answers here:http://www.cwo.com/~pentrack/catholic/ap…
Please remember that the Bible remains a Catholic Holy Book, compiled, written, and certified by the Catholic Church, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and reflecting only authentic Catholic beliefs and practices.
Anyone who attempts to interpret it in any other way is simply mistaken.
http://douglawrence.wordpress.com/
I'm not clear on the purpose of your long argument.
Was your purpose to show us your superior knowledge of the scriptures?
Was it an attempt to put down your brothers and sisters in Christ?
Was it offered in an attempt to change the minds of those you are attacking?
I recognize your ability to search the scriptures and to type. I understand that you feel strongly enough about this to argue, but I do not feel the Love of Christ in your words.
If you do not love...........
1. Confession
Some claim that confessing to a priest is not biblical. In John 20, we read of Christ appearing to the disciples on Easter Sunday. He breathed on the apostles giving them the authority to forgive, and not to forgive. This means they had to hear the sins in order to forgive/not forgive. Jesus then says “as the Father has sent me, so I send you”. This means the apostles are to continue Christ’s mission, the essence of which is the forgiveness of sins. In 2 Corinthians, St. Paul describes the apostles as ambassadors of Christ’s work of reconciliation. In the Epistle of James we read that the presbyters (priests) are called to pray for the sick and forgive their sins. Why are priests called to perform this task? Obviously, the priests have an authority that ordinary Christians do not.
It is clear that Christ gave the apostles the power to forgive sins.
The Sacrament of Reconciliation is one of the seven sacraments Christ gave his church. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is also known as the Sacrament of Penance or Confession. This sacrament can set us free from our sins, and from the burden of guilt that comes along with our sins. Through the Sacrament of Reconciliation – confession – we are brought back into union with God. Our sins separate and damage our relationship with our Lord, and it is through this most powerful sacrament that our relationship with the Lord is repaired and strengthened. Through the Sacrament of Reconciliation we can walk more closely with the Lord once again, without the burden of our sins weighing us down and distancing our relationship with God.
Some ask why Catholics confess to a priest rather than just going straight to God. Some claim that confessing to a priest is not biblical. But that is not true.
We confess to a priest because that is the way Jesus instigated the sacrament. It is at his command that we confess to one another. When we sin against the Father our sins also affect our Christian family. Confessing sins to a priest is something that was a universal practice and never debated in the Early Church.
Jesus himself was able to heal not only the physically sick, but the spiritually sick as well. Christ had the power to forgive sins (see Matthew 9:1-8; Mark 2:5-12).
He passed on that power to forgive sins in his name to his Apostles.
';Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again, I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything for which they are to pray, it shall be granted to them by my heavenly Father.'; (Matthew 18:18-19)
';Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I sent you.'; And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, ';Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.'; (John 20:21-23)
Jesus entrusted his Church with the power of forgiving sins through this most wonderful sacrament. The priest is simply the one who acts in persona Christi (in the person of Christ) in the confessional, but it is our Lord who forgives our sins. The priest grants absolution (sets us free from our sins) using the power Jesus entrusted to his Church. It is through Christ, however, that our sins are forgiven.
St. Paul tells us, ';And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us.'; (2 Corinthians 5: 18-20)
Does this mean that we shouldn’t speak and pray directly to God and express sorrow for our sins? Not at all! In fact for daily faults that is exactly what we should be doing. But for more serious offenses, for grave and mortal sins, we must repent and confess through the Sacrament of Reconciliation because that is what Christ commands us to do.
Reconciliation (also known as Confession and Penance): Penance is a Sacrament in which the sins committed after Baptism are forgiven.
Biblical references: Matt 9:2-8; Jn 20:22-23; 2 Cor 5:17-20; James 5:13-16;
Matt 18:18; 1 Jn 5:16
2.Intersession of Saints
The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us.
Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, ';Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!'; (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalm 148 we pray, ';Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!'; (Ps. 148:1-2)
Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In Revelation, John sees that ';the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, eac
You really should break this up into separate questions. I would like to give you detailed answers but Y!A now limits the lengths of our answers.
In addition to the many good biblical references addressed in other answers, the Catholic Church does not use Holy Scripture as the only basis of doctrine. It could not. The early Catholic church existed before and during the time that the New Testament was written.
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. (John 16:12-13)
Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thessalonians 2:15)
We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us. (2 Thessalonians 3:6)
I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you. (1 Corinthians 11:2)
There were hundreds of Christian writings during the first and second centuries. Which New Testament writings would become official was not fully decided until about 400 C.E.
Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit was guiding the early church (and is guiding the church today) to make the correct choices about things like:
• The Holy Trinity (which is also only hinted at in the Bible)
• Going to church on Sunday instead of Saturday (which is actually directly against one of the Ten Commandments)
• The Communion of Saints
• Which writings include in the New Testament?
Things that are even more modern like
• Slavery is bad. Slavery is never declared evil in the Bible. This was one of the justifications for slavery in the Confederate States.
• Democracy is good. The Bible states that either God should be the leader of the nation like Israel before the kings or kings should be the leader, ';Give to Caesar that which is Caesar's.'; This was talked about a lot during the American Revolution.
This second source of doctrine is called Apostolic Tradition.
Do Christians who do not allow the continuing guiding force of the Holy Spirit to make their beliefs more and more perfect, still endorse slavery as Colossians 3:22 commands, ';Slaves, obey your human masters in everything';?
For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 80 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1s…
With love in Christ.
The Catholic doctrine is not false. Au contraire, my fine friend, it is the Catholic church that is going to save the world, including your sorry butt. When all is said and done, we could be fast friends.
I can never understand how other Christians who claim to love Christ hate their own brothers in Christ.
Christ, this I know, loves me. It goes deep, and He has never ever steered me wrong. If I end up in a place I shouldn't be, it is because I was the one who strayed from Him and His most wonderful church on this planet Earth.
Do not let hatred cloud your view of the one true thing in this life.
Let me guess, you are demonstrating eisegesis to demonstrate the absurdity of such practice. Or perhaps you have no training in biblical exegesis and the Scriptures are confounding your judgment. Perhaps theological concepts are beyond your intellectual ability.
Just a suggestion, try using all of Scriptures instead of proof texting to prove your ridiculous assumptions. Use a little scholarship. Perhaps you are blinded in understanding by a spirit of hatred and contention. God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
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My goodness, aren't you impressive.
The Scriptural basis for all Catholic doctrines, including the ones for which you've chosen to cherry-pick Bible verses in an attempt to refute, can be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. May I suggest that you take the time to look these up at your leisure from that resource? Scripture verses are heavily cross-referenced throughout the Catechism. I've provided the link below to save you the trouble of a Google search.
That is, if you're truly concerned about the Scriptural foundation for these doctrines (perhaps you're considering a conversion? I can't think of very many other legitimate reasons for Christians to grill other Christians like this.) However, if you're just posting this because you think Catholics have to answer to you, get in line and take a number. You're hardly the first to think you're an authority because you've read into the Bible what you want to find there.
To put it bluntly: If you think Catholic doctrines are ';false';, then by all means don't become Catholic. Tend to your own walk with Christ; we have no problem with answering to God, but this is one Catholic (and former Baptist) who doesn't feel obliged to ';reconcile'; anything to every prejudiced nitwit who comes along and demands it.
Great!!! Which monastery did you come from. Just joking. Impressive research.
Can you be “one”with someone who believes in false doctrines?
Which of the following has the right doctrine
The First International Anglican Episcopal Lutheran Presbyterian Reformed Methodist Baptist Seventh Day Adventist Pentecostal Nazarene Unitarian Gospel Non Denominational Church and Assembly of God Christ Science Scientist of Latter Day Saints Jehovah Witness Evangelical Christian Restoration Calvary Bible Apostolic Progressive Faith Holiness Universalist Discipleship Congregational Covenant Independent United Communion Fellowship Conference Convention Association and Community Of The Lord. American Baptists, Southern Baptists, Christian Unity Baptists, Primitive Baptists, Duck River %26amp; Kindred Associations of Baptists, Baptist Church of Christ, Freewill Baptists, General Baptists, General Six—Principle Baptists, Independent Baptist Church of America, National Baptist, Evangelical Life %26amp; Soul Saving Assembly of the U.S.A., Regular Baptists, Separate Baptists, Seventh Day Baptists, Two Seed in the Spirit Predestinarian Baptists, United American Freewill Baptists, United Baptists, Free Communion Baptists, Anti-mission Baptists, Conservative Baptists, Fundamental BaptistsCan you be “one”with someone who believes in false doctrines?
And what makes you different and ''right?''
P.S. I had no idea there were SO MANY different Churches.
You're a fool if you're letting beliefs come between you two.Can you be “one”with someone who believes in false doctrines?
Ummm...atheists. :)
Christ! The more I read it, the more it sounds like keyword spam. 8o
Thats a big list! I can be one with some of them, but not others. Those who recognize the Trinity, consider Jesus to be God the Son, recognize our Salvation to be only through Him and His death on the Cross to be given by grace through faith not through good works but for good works, I can be one with.
Wow thats deep. How can you judge that each church is diffrent and each person believes thier own thing.
That is a subjective answer, as EACH of the afforementioned groups feels that THEY have ';The Right Doctrine';. (Sounds like a movie title, doesn't it?) Why are we so concerned with such trivialities as doctrine in religion? I'd have to say ';None of the above';.
I LOVED this question. It ought to make every one of us THINK.
Did God call us to ';organized religion?'; Which of the above list did YOU pick to join? Its really a mind blower when you look at this list, which is NOT exhaustive by any means, but does show us how many DIFFERENT ';churches'; with different criteria are actually OUT THERE.
God has called us to join a church ';not made with hands';, but one that is called a NEW CREATION, the church which is the Body of Christ. This is a LIVING, BREATHING entity which was brought into being with the ';preaching of Jesus Christ ACCORDING to the REVELATION of the MYSTERY which was KEPT SECRET since the world began';.
This means that the Body of Christ wasn't in existance in the prophetic books, including Mt. , Mk., Lk., and Jn. The ';church'; that was in existance at THAT time was the KINGDOM church, comprised of JEWS ALONE who were under the law of Moses.
Since God has called you to become a member of a BODY , and NOT of a ';church made with hands';...then one needs to be careful that the ';people meeting together with a common goal'; (ie; the definition of a church IS this,by the way) are NOT mistakenly trying to place people under the wrong church program for today. We arent under the Law of Moses, but under the gospel of the GRACE of God.
Where do we find the instructions for THIS church which is the Body of Christ. Scripture tells us ...Romans thru Philemon. That is where we find the ';gospel for OUR SALVATION.'; Another name for that gospel is the gospel of the UNcircumcision.
The gospel for the salvation of the Nation Israel is found in Gen thru Acts, and Hebrews thru Revelation. That is where they find THEIR instructions for the Kingdom Gospel. It involves a literal earthly Kingdom, with a KING and twelve thrones with twelve apostles.
OUR gospel, or good news is found in the instructions given by the RISEN Christ (not Christ in His earthly ministry, which was , in His own words, ';to none but the Nation Israel.';) to OUR APOSTLE...who doesnt happen to be Peter, but Paul...and Paul is the ONE apostle to the Gentiles. The 12 have the instructions to the nation Israel, Paul does NOT.
Very intuitive question and it shows how satan has had time to put together a very impressive ';plan of evil.';
God never called ANYONE to a denomination! I repeat, God never called ANYONE to a denomination!
He calls us to Himself....and we need to know where to find OUR mail, written specifically TO us and ABOUT us.
sometimes you just gotta go with what you know is right in your heart... i go to a non - denominational church and am comfortable there. we try not to get into the nitty gritty feuds that separate many churches these days. All the best to you, friend.
Is that all the choices I get? There has to be a few hundred more.
What an odd question . . .
ok, um, what?
none of the ones you named is absolute truth. accept it and move on. and in answer to your question. yes I am happily married to a vaguely christian man. I am a pagan woman. and while I dont agree with his way of of believeing I find that on most of the issues that sepearte people we agree so what does it matter that he believes in one god and I believe in many gods and goddess. he doesnt try to make me beleive in his one god and I dont try to make him beleive in my many. we agree that love is the highest law.
Can you? Which one do you feel is false. We all try to follow the word as best we can. Yes some add things that aren't there but they will have to answer for that.
Are they false because you don't agree with them?
The Bible and the Bible alone
As a Mormon, we believe that many religions have parts of the truth. But that we have the fulness of the gospel. People are so quick to question Romney on his Mormon faith, what about the other canidates? Contrary to many so called Christians, we do believe in Jesus Christ! He is the cornerstone of our religion! A definition of a Christian is a follower and believer in Jesus Christ, the Son of God. We believe in God the Eternal Father and in his Son JESUS Christ and in the Holy Ghost! Guess What people? That makes us Christians! Now Back off!
option 163- The mormon church.
the church of the first born,given as a promise.god has burned his law on the table of my heart';religion was created by man:this is part of the apostacy..(break up of the truth!)
forget jw thata a cult...im living with an agnostic..
Mormons
Sure you can, don't get all hung up on that stuff!
None of them, since they are all Christian.
';Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?'; (Amos 3:3)
Please consider the following. It is from a tract called ';Come and See';. Compare it to the Scriptures. If it teaches what is found in the Bible, accept it. If it does not teach what is in the Bible reject it! (Isn't that fair?)
COME AND SEE
By Garland Elkins
The above statement, “COME AND SEE” (John. 1:39), was made by our Lord in response to a question directed to him by two of John’s disciples. The two accepted the Lord’s invitation to “Come and see” and as a result they left John to follow Jesus!
The church of Christ in this community urges you to “Come and see” whether or not this congregation is identical to the “churches of Christ” (Romans16:16) of Paul’s day in name, membership, worship, unity, organization, practice and mission. Following the New Testament completely is that which makes the true church of Christ.
The Lord added the saved to the church that Christ built. (Acts 2:38-41, 47) There was no other church in existence. The same process of obedience that saved them caused the Lord to add them to His church. (Acts 2:47)
Not until hundreds of years later was there a single denomination for one to join! Now there are hundreds of man-made churches but there is no reason to join any of them! Why not be just a Christian? A member of the Lord’s church? (Matthew 16:18; Acts 2:47; Romans 16:16; Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16)
THE CHURCH OF CHRIST WAS FOUNDED BY CHRIST
Christ promised to build but one church, when he said: “AND I SAY ALSO UNTO THEE, THAT THOU ART PETER, AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH; AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.” (Matthew 16:18) Paul tells us that Christ died for but one church: “HUSBANDS, LOVE YOUR WIVES, EVEN AS CHRIST ALSO LOVED THE CHURCH, AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT;” (Ephesians 5:25)
The words “the church” mean but one. The pronoun “it” can refer to but one. So Christ loved one church; he died for one church; he built one church. Therefore he is the owner of but one church. The plural form “churches” is never used in the New Testament except in reference to a number of local congregations in a certain section of the country, as “THE CHURCHES OF CHRIST SALUTE YOU.” (Romans 16:16) “THE CHURCHES OF JUDEA.” (Galatians 1:22)
TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST WAS FOUNDED IN JERUSALEM
It was founded in Jerusalem, on Pentecost, the first one after the resurrection of Christ. This is shown by a number of things. A short time before our Lord died he put the origin of the church in the future when lie said: “UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH” (Matthew 16:18) Students of language know that “will build” is future tense of the verb and shows that the church had not been built when Jesus made this statement. However, beginning with this Pentecost the church was always referred to as present. It was on that day that “THERE WERE ADDED UNTO THEM ABOUT THREE THOUSAND SOULS” (Acts 2:41) “AND THE LORD ADDED TO THE CHURCH DAILY SUCH AS SHOULD BE SAVED.” (Acts 2:47) Never after Pentecost of Acts 2 was it referred to as something to be built. This proves that the church of Christ was established on Pentecost day of the second chapter of Acts. In fact, Peter declares that this was the beginning. (Acts 11:15)
CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST
Christ is the head of it - the sole head. Paul says: “AND HATH PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET, AND GAVE HIM TO BE THE HEAD OVER ALL THINGS TO THE CHURCH, WHICH IS HIS BODY, THE FULLNESS OF HIM THAT FILLETH ALL IN ALL.” (Ephesians 1:22, 23) “AND HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CHURCH.” (Colossians 1:18) These passages make it clear that when the New Testament speaks of the body of Christ, reference is not made to his physical but to his spiritual body, which is his church. Observe please: (1) Christ is the head of his church. (Colossians 1:18; Ephesians 1:22, 23) (2) All who are in Christ are in his body. (Galatians 3:27; Colossians 3:15) (3) All Christians are in Christ. (Romans 6:3; II Corinthians 5:17) (4) Therefore, all Christians are in Christ’s church. Jesus came into the world to establish one, and only one institution through which to save mankind. (Ephesians 3:10, 11, 21)
THE CHURCH OF CHRIST HAS NO GUIDE BOOK BUT THE BIBLE
The church of Christ refuses to accept any human creed in religion. We definitely refuse any uninspired man’s statement, or system of statements, as our rule in religion. Articles of Religion, Confessions of Faith, Disciplines, Church Manuals and Creeds formulated by men are rejected. The word of God - and the word of God alone - we accept as our standard. The following scriptures show this to be the only safe course: “ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, AND IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: THAT THE MAN OF GOD MAY BE PERFECT, THOROUGHLY FURNISHED UNTO ALL GOOD WORKS.” (II Timothy 3:16.17)
Again Peter says: “ACCORDING AS HIS DIVINE POWER HATH GIVEN UNTO US ALL THINGS THAT PERTAIN UNTO LIFE AND GODLINESS, THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE OF HIM THAT HATH CALLED US TO GLORY AND VIRTUE.” (II Peter 1:3)
The same apostle said: “IF ANY MAN SPEAK, LET HIM SPEAK AS THE ORACLES OF GOD; IF ANY MAN MINISTER, LET HIM DO IT AS OF THE ABILITY WHICH GOD GIVETH: THAT GOD IN ALL THINGS MAY BE GLORIFIED THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, TO WHOM BE PRAISE AND DOMINION FOREVER AND EVER AMEN.” (I Peter 4:11)
Therefore we implore all to go back to the Bible. Remember the Bible is right!
The church of Christ has no creed but the Christ, the son of God. It pleads for the unity of all believers in Christ on the simple plan of speaking where the Bible speaks and by remaining silent where it is silent, by wearing Bible names and by doing Bible things in Bible ways.
It seeks to obey the divine injunction given by Paul in I Corinthians 1:10 “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” Our aim is to fulfill the Lord’s prayer for unity as stated in John 17:21. We seek to plant New Testament churches through out the world after the New Testament pattern.
TO BE ADDED TO THE CHURCH OF CHRIST ONE MUST COMPLY WITH
GOSPEL REQUIREMENTS WHICH ARE:
Belief in Christ (Acts 16:31) Repentance of sins (Acts 17:30) Confession of faith in Christ (Acts 8:36, 37) and baptism (Acts 2:38, 41, 47; Mark. 16:16; Acts 22:16)
Peter declared “BAPTISM DOTH ALSO NOW SAVE US.” (I Peter 3:21) We are saved by the blood of Christ which was shed in the death of Christ but no accountable person ever contacts that blood until he is baptized into his death. (Romans 6:3)
Salvation is in Christ, (II Timothy 2:10) but one cannot get into Christ except by baptism. (Galatians 3:27)
THE WORSHIP OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS SCRIPTURAL
The items of worship are: Teaching (Acts 2:42; II Timothy 2:2); Praying (Acts 2:42); and Giving (I Corinthians 16:1, 2) Giving is an act of worship that must be done on a certain day of the week. As the original language clearly states, it was done on the first day of every week. Raffling contests and other such methods of raising money for the church were not practiced by the congregations under the direction of inspired men of the first century, and those who do such things today are not identical with congregations of the first century. Partaking of the Lord’s supper is another act of worship. (I Corinthians 11:23-29) Does the New Testament specify a certain day for the observance of the Lord’s supper? Yes! The day is clearly pointed out in Acts 20:7. The only day anyone can partake of the Lord’s Supper with the Lord’s approval is the first day of the week! A certain day of a certain month is never mentioned in connection with it. So it cannot be a yearly service. Neither is a certain day of the month mentioned. It cannot, therefore, be a monthly service. Singing is another act of worship (Ephesians 5:19; Hebrews 2:12) We are not just commanded to have music, but rather we are commanded to have a certain kind of music, that is Singing. In Hebrews 2:12 we are told, “IN THE MIDST OF THE CHURCH WILL I SING PRAISE UNTO THEE.” To add instrumental music to the singing is to go beyond Christ’s doctrine. (II John 9-11) Any church that employs mechanical instruments in its worship is not identical with the New Testament church. But the true church of Christ limits its music to singing just as the church of the first century. The five acts of worship discussed above were the only acts of worship that the early church practiced. We search in vain for any other acts of worship enjoined upon Christians today.
DOES HONESTY MAKE ERROR TRUTH?
Since early childhood I have heard people say that it does not make any difference what we believe, that if we are honest and sincere about it, God will save us anyway. Have you ever made such a statement? Most likely you have heard your preacher say the same thing. If he has, ask him for the verse in the Bible. You may have made this kind of statement because you have heard preachers make it, and naturally you thought it must be so. But if your preacher has been making it, he must have some reason for it since he claims to be following and teaching the Bible. He should make such statements providing the Bible says so. And if the Bible does say so, he will know where to find it. So ask him to give you the book, chapter, and verse.
Notice this scripture from II Thessalonians 2:11 %26amp; 12:
“AND FOR THIS CAUSE GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.” This indeed is a very plain statement. It positively says that some would “believe a lie.” Certainly there is a vast difference between believing a lie and believing the truth. The truth is recorded in the word of God. If it is not taught in the word of God, it must be a lie.
Does it make any difference which of these one believes? The general idea is that it does not matter, provided one is sincere. Of course, he could not believe anything unless he is sincere. A person might pretend to believe a thing and be insincere about it. But if he actually believes it, he must be sincere. So the Bible speaks of men who are sincere, for it actually says they will “believe a lie.” But what of their sincerity? Will that atone for their mistake? Will God save them anyway, just because they are honest about it? Is that what the Bible said? No, that is not the way it reads at all.
Observe verse 12 again: “THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH.” Notice the word “damned.” This means the very opposite of “saved.” Yet we are told that certain men would be damned. But who were to be damned? All those who believed a lie or believed not the truth. It does make quite a difference what a person believes! For if one is to be saved, he must believe the truth. To believe something else will result in damnation—regardless of how sincere a person might be.
In II Timothy 2:5 we read this: “AND IF A MAN ALSO STRIVE FOR MASTERIES, YET IS HE NOT CROWNED, EXCEPT HE STRIVE LAWFULLY.” When people say it makes no difference what we believe, they often add: “We are all striving for the same place anyway.” And evidently this is true. We are striving to reach heaven at last. But is striving the only thing that is necessary in order to reach that glorious reward? This is all that would be necessary if it makes no difference what we believe.
The Bible continues to tell us that striving alone is not sufficient—that a man may strive and still not be crowned, except he strive lawfully. The crowning referred to is the eternal reward in heaven—the crown of glory that fadeth not away. But yet a man may strive and still fail to receive the crown. Why? Because he may not strive lawfully. No person can reach that crown unless he strives lawfully! What does it mean to strive lawfully? It means to strive according to the law of the Lord. So if we strive contrary to that law we will not be crowned, regardless of how sincere we may be.
The law of the Lord is revealed in the New Testament. If we strive to go to heaven by some other way, we are not striving lawfully, and will not reach the destination we desire. These truths in the Bible clearly indicate that it does make a difference what a person believes and practices in religion.
SINNERS—NOT INSTRUCTED TO— “PRAY THROUGH”
With the Bible as our rule of faith and practice, containing as it does, the revelation of God’s will to us, we should be very anxious to do just the things it authorizes. This is especially true since we are saved from our past sins and become Christians only if we obey the truth. (John 8:32; John. 17:17)
Also we are to be judged by the word of the Lord. (John 12:48) Where does the Bible say, “that inspired men ever invited alien sinners, to the altar to pray for salvation?”
In Acts 22:16, we read of an alien sinner, engaged in prayer when the Lord sent a preacher to tell him what to do. Saul, who had been one of the worst enemies Christianity ever had, became convinced of the error of his way. He asked the Lord what he would have him to do. (Acts 9:6) Jesus told him to go to Damascus and there he would be told what he must do. (Acts 9:6) So he went to the city and waited for — that — information. Ananias, a gospel preacher, was sent to tell him what to do. When Ananias arrived he found Saul, the sinner, engaged in prayer. Many modern preachers would have told Saul to “pray on until you pray to pardon.” Did Ananias tell Saul to pray on? He did not! However, he told Saul exactly what God wanted him to do! He stopped Saul from praying and said: “AND NOW WHY TARRIEST THOU? ARISE, AND BE BAPTIZED, AND WASH AWAY THY SINS, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.” (Acts 22:16) To “Arise,” means “to get up.” So Ananias told Saul to get up from his praying and do something else - to be baptized and wash away his sins. Has it ever occurred to you that the average preacher of our day would not tell an alien sinner what Ananias told Saul to do? That is, to “ARISE,” and to “BE BAPTIZED AND WASH AWAY THY SINS.” When one is thus baptized for the remission of his sins (Acts 2:38) he is obediently “CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.” (Acts 22:16; Matthew 7:21; Luke 6:46)
THE LORD’S CHURCH OF ABSOLUTE IMPORTANCE
We place value upon a thing by what is paid for it. It is obvious that God places the highest value upon the church since he was willing to give his only begotten Son for it. (John 3:16; Ephesians 5:25) Christ not only loved the church enough to die for it (Ephesians 5:25), but his church is the only institution where the lost can find salvation. (Acts 2:47; Ephesians 5:23)
We are dedicated to the restoration of New Testament Christianity. Won’t you lend your influence to this worthy goal? We are neither Catholic nor Protestant. We are simply Christians. (Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16) Isn’t this sufficient?
We regard the Bible as the final word. We strive to allow a visitor to be a stranger but once. Please “Come and see” and “Go and tell” others!
There are many paths to a destination. A car needs a road. A train needs tracks. People have different strengths and weaknesses.
Not unless you too are deceived.
Doctrines are man made, I only follow Christ through the Bible.
D. all of the above and every other religion too
Me!
I want to sing that to the tune of ';It's The End of the World as we Know It';
I think none of those are.
you forgot to put catholics in there. their doctrines are as false as any other christian group, since jesus is a false god.
Doctrines are always false. There are no comprehensive, terminal and true answers on everything.
The First International Anglican Episcopal Lutheran Presbyterian Reformed Methodist Baptist Seventh Day Adventist Pentecostal Nazarene Unitarian Gospel Non Denominational Church and Assembly of God Christ Science Scientist of Latter Day Saints Jehovah Witness Evangelical Christian Restoration Calvary Bible Apostolic Progressive Faith Holiness Universalist Discipleship Congregational Covenant Independent United Communion Fellowship Conference Convention Association and Community Of The Lord. American Baptists, Southern Baptists, Christian Unity Baptists, Primitive Baptists, Duck River %26amp; Kindred Associations of Baptists, Baptist Church of Christ, Freewill Baptists, General Baptists, General Six—Principle Baptists, Independent Baptist Church of America, National Baptist, Evangelical Life %26amp; Soul Saving Assembly of the U.S.A., Regular Baptists, Separate Baptists, Seventh Day Baptists, Two Seed in the Spirit Predestinarian Baptists, United American Freewill Baptists, United Baptists, Free Communion Baptists, Anti-mission Baptists, Conservative Baptists, Fundamental BaptistsCan you be “one”with someone who believes in false doctrines?
And what makes you different and ''right?''
P.S. I had no idea there were SO MANY different Churches.
You're a fool if you're letting beliefs come between you two.Can you be “one”with someone who believes in false doctrines?
Ummm...atheists. :)
Christ! The more I read it, the more it sounds like keyword spam. 8o
Thats a big list! I can be one with some of them, but not others. Those who recognize the Trinity, consider Jesus to be God the Son, recognize our Salvation to be only through Him and His death on the Cross to be given by grace through faith not through good works but for good works, I can be one with.
Wow thats deep. How can you judge that each church is diffrent and each person believes thier own thing.
That is a subjective answer, as EACH of the afforementioned groups feels that THEY have ';The Right Doctrine';. (Sounds like a movie title, doesn't it?) Why are we so concerned with such trivialities as doctrine in religion? I'd have to say ';None of the above';.
I LOVED this question. It ought to make every one of us THINK.
Did God call us to ';organized religion?'; Which of the above list did YOU pick to join? Its really a mind blower when you look at this list, which is NOT exhaustive by any means, but does show us how many DIFFERENT ';churches'; with different criteria are actually OUT THERE.
God has called us to join a church ';not made with hands';, but one that is called a NEW CREATION, the church which is the Body of Christ. This is a LIVING, BREATHING entity which was brought into being with the ';preaching of Jesus Christ ACCORDING to the REVELATION of the MYSTERY which was KEPT SECRET since the world began';.
This means that the Body of Christ wasn't in existance in the prophetic books, including Mt. , Mk., Lk., and Jn. The ';church'; that was in existance at THAT time was the KINGDOM church, comprised of JEWS ALONE who were under the law of Moses.
Since God has called you to become a member of a BODY , and NOT of a ';church made with hands';...then one needs to be careful that the ';people meeting together with a common goal'; (ie; the definition of a church IS this,by the way) are NOT mistakenly trying to place people under the wrong church program for today. We arent under the Law of Moses, but under the gospel of the GRACE of God.
Where do we find the instructions for THIS church which is the Body of Christ. Scripture tells us ...Romans thru Philemon. That is where we find the ';gospel for OUR SALVATION.'; Another name for that gospel is the gospel of the UNcircumcision.
The gospel for the salvation of the Nation Israel is found in Gen thru Acts, and Hebrews thru Revelation. That is where they find THEIR instructions for the Kingdom Gospel. It involves a literal earthly Kingdom, with a KING and twelve thrones with twelve apostles.
OUR gospel, or good news is found in the instructions given by the RISEN Christ (not Christ in His earthly ministry, which was , in His own words, ';to none but the Nation Israel.';) to OUR APOSTLE...who doesnt happen to be Peter, but Paul...and Paul is the ONE apostle to the Gentiles. The 12 have the instructions to the nation Israel, Paul does NOT.
Very intuitive question and it shows how satan has had time to put together a very impressive ';plan of evil.';
God never called ANYONE to a denomination! I repeat, God never called ANYONE to a denomination!
He calls us to Himself....and we need to know where to find OUR mail, written specifically TO us and ABOUT us.
sometimes you just gotta go with what you know is right in your heart... i go to a non - denominational church and am comfortable there. we try not to get into the nitty gritty feuds that separate many churches these days. All the best to you, friend.
Is that all the choices I get? There has to be a few hundred more.
What an odd question . . .
ok, um, what?
none of the ones you named is absolute truth. accept it and move on. and in answer to your question. yes I am happily married to a vaguely christian man. I am a pagan woman. and while I dont agree with his way of of believeing I find that on most of the issues that sepearte people we agree so what does it matter that he believes in one god and I believe in many gods and goddess. he doesnt try to make me beleive in his one god and I dont try to make him beleive in my many. we agree that love is the highest law.
Can you? Which one do you feel is false. We all try to follow the word as best we can. Yes some add things that aren't there but they will have to answer for that.
Are they false because you don't agree with them?
The Bible and the Bible alone
As a Mormon, we believe that many religions have parts of the truth. But that we have the fulness of the gospel. People are so quick to question Romney on his Mormon faith, what about the other canidates? Contrary to many so called Christians, we do believe in Jesus Christ! He is the cornerstone of our religion! A definition of a Christian is a follower and believer in Jesus Christ, the Son of God. We believe in God the Eternal Father and in his Son JESUS Christ and in the Holy Ghost! Guess What people? That makes us Christians! Now Back off!
option 163- The mormon church.
the church of the first born,given as a promise.god has burned his law on the table of my heart';religion was created by man:this is part of the apostacy..(break up of the truth!)
forget jw thata a cult...im living with an agnostic..
Mormons
Sure you can, don't get all hung up on that stuff!
None of them, since they are all Christian.
';Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?'; (Amos 3:3)
Please consider the following. It is from a tract called ';Come and See';. Compare it to the Scriptures. If it teaches what is found in the Bible, accept it. If it does not teach what is in the Bible reject it! (Isn't that fair?)
COME AND SEE
By Garland Elkins
The above statement, “COME AND SEE” (John. 1:39), was made by our Lord in response to a question directed to him by two of John’s disciples. The two accepted the Lord’s invitation to “Come and see” and as a result they left John to follow Jesus!
The church of Christ in this community urges you to “Come and see” whether or not this congregation is identical to the “churches of Christ” (Romans16:16) of Paul’s day in name, membership, worship, unity, organization, practice and mission. Following the New Testament completely is that which makes the true church of Christ.
The Lord added the saved to the church that Christ built. (Acts 2:38-41, 47) There was no other church in existence. The same process of obedience that saved them caused the Lord to add them to His church. (Acts 2:47)
Not until hundreds of years later was there a single denomination for one to join! Now there are hundreds of man-made churches but there is no reason to join any of them! Why not be just a Christian? A member of the Lord’s church? (Matthew 16:18; Acts 2:47; Romans 16:16; Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16)
THE CHURCH OF CHRIST WAS FOUNDED BY CHRIST
Christ promised to build but one church, when he said: “AND I SAY ALSO UNTO THEE, THAT THOU ART PETER, AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH; AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.” (Matthew 16:18) Paul tells us that Christ died for but one church: “HUSBANDS, LOVE YOUR WIVES, EVEN AS CHRIST ALSO LOVED THE CHURCH, AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT;” (Ephesians 5:25)
The words “the church” mean but one. The pronoun “it” can refer to but one. So Christ loved one church; he died for one church; he built one church. Therefore he is the owner of but one church. The plural form “churches” is never used in the New Testament except in reference to a number of local congregations in a certain section of the country, as “THE CHURCHES OF CHRIST SALUTE YOU.” (Romans 16:16) “THE CHURCHES OF JUDEA.” (Galatians 1:22)
TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST WAS FOUNDED IN JERUSALEM
It was founded in Jerusalem, on Pentecost, the first one after the resurrection of Christ. This is shown by a number of things. A short time before our Lord died he put the origin of the church in the future when lie said: “UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH” (Matthew 16:18) Students of language know that “will build” is future tense of the verb and shows that the church had not been built when Jesus made this statement. However, beginning with this Pentecost the church was always referred to as present. It was on that day that “THERE WERE ADDED UNTO THEM ABOUT THREE THOUSAND SOULS” (Acts 2:41) “AND THE LORD ADDED TO THE CHURCH DAILY SUCH AS SHOULD BE SAVED.” (Acts 2:47) Never after Pentecost of Acts 2 was it referred to as something to be built. This proves that the church of Christ was established on Pentecost day of the second chapter of Acts. In fact, Peter declares that this was the beginning. (Acts 11:15)
CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST
Christ is the head of it - the sole head. Paul says: “AND HATH PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET, AND GAVE HIM TO BE THE HEAD OVER ALL THINGS TO THE CHURCH, WHICH IS HIS BODY, THE FULLNESS OF HIM THAT FILLETH ALL IN ALL.” (Ephesians 1:22, 23) “AND HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CHURCH.” (Colossians 1:18) These passages make it clear that when the New Testament speaks of the body of Christ, reference is not made to his physical but to his spiritual body, which is his church. Observe please: (1) Christ is the head of his church. (Colossians 1:18; Ephesians 1:22, 23) (2) All who are in Christ are in his body. (Galatians 3:27; Colossians 3:15) (3) All Christians are in Christ. (Romans 6:3; II Corinthians 5:17) (4) Therefore, all Christians are in Christ’s church. Jesus came into the world to establish one, and only one institution through which to save mankind. (Ephesians 3:10, 11, 21)
THE CHURCH OF CHRIST HAS NO GUIDE BOOK BUT THE BIBLE
The church of Christ refuses to accept any human creed in religion. We definitely refuse any uninspired man’s statement, or system of statements, as our rule in religion. Articles of Religion, Confessions of Faith, Disciplines, Church Manuals and Creeds formulated by men are rejected. The word of God - and the word of God alone - we accept as our standard. The following scriptures show this to be the only safe course: “ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, AND IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: THAT THE MAN OF GOD MAY BE PERFECT, THOROUGHLY FURNISHED UNTO ALL GOOD WORKS.” (II Timothy 3:16.17)
Again Peter says: “ACCORDING AS HIS DIVINE POWER HATH GIVEN UNTO US ALL THINGS THAT PERTAIN UNTO LIFE AND GODLINESS, THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE OF HIM THAT HATH CALLED US TO GLORY AND VIRTUE.” (II Peter 1:3)
The same apostle said: “IF ANY MAN SPEAK, LET HIM SPEAK AS THE ORACLES OF GOD; IF ANY MAN MINISTER, LET HIM DO IT AS OF THE ABILITY WHICH GOD GIVETH: THAT GOD IN ALL THINGS MAY BE GLORIFIED THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, TO WHOM BE PRAISE AND DOMINION FOREVER AND EVER AMEN.” (I Peter 4:11)
Therefore we implore all to go back to the Bible. Remember the Bible is right!
The church of Christ has no creed but the Christ, the son of God. It pleads for the unity of all believers in Christ on the simple plan of speaking where the Bible speaks and by remaining silent where it is silent, by wearing Bible names and by doing Bible things in Bible ways.
It seeks to obey the divine injunction given by Paul in I Corinthians 1:10 “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” Our aim is to fulfill the Lord’s prayer for unity as stated in John 17:21. We seek to plant New Testament churches through out the world after the New Testament pattern.
TO BE ADDED TO THE CHURCH OF CHRIST ONE MUST COMPLY WITH
GOSPEL REQUIREMENTS WHICH ARE:
Belief in Christ (Acts 16:31) Repentance of sins (Acts 17:30) Confession of faith in Christ (Acts 8:36, 37) and baptism (Acts 2:38, 41, 47; Mark. 16:16; Acts 22:16)
Peter declared “BAPTISM DOTH ALSO NOW SAVE US.” (I Peter 3:21) We are saved by the blood of Christ which was shed in the death of Christ but no accountable person ever contacts that blood until he is baptized into his death. (Romans 6:3)
Salvation is in Christ, (II Timothy 2:10) but one cannot get into Christ except by baptism. (Galatians 3:27)
THE WORSHIP OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS SCRIPTURAL
The items of worship are: Teaching (Acts 2:42; II Timothy 2:2); Praying (Acts 2:42); and Giving (I Corinthians 16:1, 2) Giving is an act of worship that must be done on a certain day of the week. As the original language clearly states, it was done on the first day of every week. Raffling contests and other such methods of raising money for the church were not practiced by the congregations under the direction of inspired men of the first century, and those who do such things today are not identical with congregations of the first century. Partaking of the Lord’s supper is another act of worship. (I Corinthians 11:23-29) Does the New Testament specify a certain day for the observance of the Lord’s supper? Yes! The day is clearly pointed out in Acts 20:7. The only day anyone can partake of the Lord’s Supper with the Lord’s approval is the first day of the week! A certain day of a certain month is never mentioned in connection with it. So it cannot be a yearly service. Neither is a certain day of the month mentioned. It cannot, therefore, be a monthly service. Singing is another act of worship (Ephesians 5:19; Hebrews 2:12) We are not just commanded to have music, but rather we are commanded to have a certain kind of music, that is Singing. In Hebrews 2:12 we are told, “IN THE MIDST OF THE CHURCH WILL I SING PRAISE UNTO THEE.” To add instrumental music to the singing is to go beyond Christ’s doctrine. (II John 9-11) Any church that employs mechanical instruments in its worship is not identical with the New Testament church. But the true church of Christ limits its music to singing just as the church of the first century. The five acts of worship discussed above were the only acts of worship that the early church practiced. We search in vain for any other acts of worship enjoined upon Christians today.
DOES HONESTY MAKE ERROR TRUTH?
Since early childhood I have heard people say that it does not make any difference what we believe, that if we are honest and sincere about it, God will save us anyway. Have you ever made such a statement? Most likely you have heard your preacher say the same thing. If he has, ask him for the verse in the Bible. You may have made this kind of statement because you have heard preachers make it, and naturally you thought it must be so. But if your preacher has been making it, he must have some reason for it since he claims to be following and teaching the Bible. He should make such statements providing the Bible says so. And if the Bible does say so, he will know where to find it. So ask him to give you the book, chapter, and verse.
Notice this scripture from II Thessalonians 2:11 %26amp; 12:
“AND FOR THIS CAUSE GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.” This indeed is a very plain statement. It positively says that some would “believe a lie.” Certainly there is a vast difference between believing a lie and believing the truth. The truth is recorded in the word of God. If it is not taught in the word of God, it must be a lie.
Does it make any difference which of these one believes? The general idea is that it does not matter, provided one is sincere. Of course, he could not believe anything unless he is sincere. A person might pretend to believe a thing and be insincere about it. But if he actually believes it, he must be sincere. So the Bible speaks of men who are sincere, for it actually says they will “believe a lie.” But what of their sincerity? Will that atone for their mistake? Will God save them anyway, just because they are honest about it? Is that what the Bible said? No, that is not the way it reads at all.
Observe verse 12 again: “THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH.” Notice the word “damned.” This means the very opposite of “saved.” Yet we are told that certain men would be damned. But who were to be damned? All those who believed a lie or believed not the truth. It does make quite a difference what a person believes! For if one is to be saved, he must believe the truth. To believe something else will result in damnation—regardless of how sincere a person might be.
In II Timothy 2:5 we read this: “AND IF A MAN ALSO STRIVE FOR MASTERIES, YET IS HE NOT CROWNED, EXCEPT HE STRIVE LAWFULLY.” When people say it makes no difference what we believe, they often add: “We are all striving for the same place anyway.” And evidently this is true. We are striving to reach heaven at last. But is striving the only thing that is necessary in order to reach that glorious reward? This is all that would be necessary if it makes no difference what we believe.
The Bible continues to tell us that striving alone is not sufficient—that a man may strive and still not be crowned, except he strive lawfully. The crowning referred to is the eternal reward in heaven—the crown of glory that fadeth not away. But yet a man may strive and still fail to receive the crown. Why? Because he may not strive lawfully. No person can reach that crown unless he strives lawfully! What does it mean to strive lawfully? It means to strive according to the law of the Lord. So if we strive contrary to that law we will not be crowned, regardless of how sincere we may be.
The law of the Lord is revealed in the New Testament. If we strive to go to heaven by some other way, we are not striving lawfully, and will not reach the destination we desire. These truths in the Bible clearly indicate that it does make a difference what a person believes and practices in religion.
SINNERS—NOT INSTRUCTED TO— “PRAY THROUGH”
With the Bible as our rule of faith and practice, containing as it does, the revelation of God’s will to us, we should be very anxious to do just the things it authorizes. This is especially true since we are saved from our past sins and become Christians only if we obey the truth. (John 8:32; John. 17:17)
Also we are to be judged by the word of the Lord. (John 12:48) Where does the Bible say, “that inspired men ever invited alien sinners, to the altar to pray for salvation?”
In Acts 22:16, we read of an alien sinner, engaged in prayer when the Lord sent a preacher to tell him what to do. Saul, who had been one of the worst enemies Christianity ever had, became convinced of the error of his way. He asked the Lord what he would have him to do. (Acts 9:6) Jesus told him to go to Damascus and there he would be told what he must do. (Acts 9:6) So he went to the city and waited for — that — information. Ananias, a gospel preacher, was sent to tell him what to do. When Ananias arrived he found Saul, the sinner, engaged in prayer. Many modern preachers would have told Saul to “pray on until you pray to pardon.” Did Ananias tell Saul to pray on? He did not! However, he told Saul exactly what God wanted him to do! He stopped Saul from praying and said: “AND NOW WHY TARRIEST THOU? ARISE, AND BE BAPTIZED, AND WASH AWAY THY SINS, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.” (Acts 22:16) To “Arise,” means “to get up.” So Ananias told Saul to get up from his praying and do something else - to be baptized and wash away his sins. Has it ever occurred to you that the average preacher of our day would not tell an alien sinner what Ananias told Saul to do? That is, to “ARISE,” and to “BE BAPTIZED AND WASH AWAY THY SINS.” When one is thus baptized for the remission of his sins (Acts 2:38) he is obediently “CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.” (Acts 22:16; Matthew 7:21; Luke 6:46)
THE LORD’S CHURCH OF ABSOLUTE IMPORTANCE
We place value upon a thing by what is paid for it. It is obvious that God places the highest value upon the church since he was willing to give his only begotten Son for it. (John 3:16; Ephesians 5:25) Christ not only loved the church enough to die for it (Ephesians 5:25), but his church is the only institution where the lost can find salvation. (Acts 2:47; Ephesians 5:23)
We are dedicated to the restoration of New Testament Christianity. Won’t you lend your influence to this worthy goal? We are neither Catholic nor Protestant. We are simply Christians. (Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16) Isn’t this sufficient?
We regard the Bible as the final word. We strive to allow a visitor to be a stranger but once. Please “Come and see” and “Go and tell” others!
There are many paths to a destination. A car needs a road. A train needs tracks. People have different strengths and weaknesses.
Not unless you too are deceived.
Doctrines are man made, I only follow Christ through the Bible.
D. all of the above and every other religion too
Me!
I want to sing that to the tune of ';It's The End of the World as we Know It';
I think none of those are.
you forgot to put catholics in there. their doctrines are as false as any other christian group, since jesus is a false god.
Doctrines are always false. There are no comprehensive, terminal and true answers on everything.
Paul said to watch out for false doctrines, is Darwin's ';Origin of Species'; something Paul was talking about?
And he said let them be accursed.Paul said to watch out for false doctrines, is Darwin's ';Origin of Species'; something Paul was talking about?
Do you read anything else in the Bible besides what Paul wrote?Paul said to watch out for false doctrines, is Darwin's ';Origin of Species'; something Paul was talking about?
Let me get this straight. You're using something from a book of fairy tales to argue against a book about the early science of evolutionary theory. Are you joking? Are you 6 years old? Or do you just have the mental capacity of a 6 year old?
Paul is the one that wrote all of the false doctrines sir, when he fabricated Christianity with Peter in Rome in AD 56
True, it's not a doctrine... however, there are plenty of real false doctrines out there to mislead ';even the ELECT.'; I cite specifically mormonism. Okay, folks, thumbs me down if you'd like, but the TRUTH is that mormonism is a FALSE doctrine, and I simply cannot ignore that fact. My soul is particularly angry at the leadership, because I feel they are purposely and knowing leading others astray via misinformation and lying to their members.
Have a blessed day.
no, darwin was a deceived christian . and there is nothing spiritual about Darwin theory, remember christians are called to fight spiritual battle. if christians were obeying the bible darwin would have never be this popular . shame on these christian scientists. good question
Funny given that Paul effectively hijacked what would have otherwise become the Christian religion, but no. False doctrines refers to church matters, not worldly matters.
Why do people profess that God is intelligent, and we are in his image, but when we use intelligence to truthfully learn of our existence, it's heresy?
';Origin of Species'; might be mistaken, but creationism is an orchestrated litany of lies.
False doctrin was more directed at churches.One church today has lesbian women pastors,that is a false doctrine.
No, evolution is not a doctrine.
Not a doctrine.
It's not a doctrine.
No.
Try the works of Martin Luther, and Queen James the fifth; they're much closer to what he meant.
Do you read anything else in the Bible besides what Paul wrote?Paul said to watch out for false doctrines, is Darwin's ';Origin of Species'; something Paul was talking about?
Let me get this straight. You're using something from a book of fairy tales to argue against a book about the early science of evolutionary theory. Are you joking? Are you 6 years old? Or do you just have the mental capacity of a 6 year old?
Paul is the one that wrote all of the false doctrines sir, when he fabricated Christianity with Peter in Rome in AD 56
True, it's not a doctrine... however, there are plenty of real false doctrines out there to mislead ';even the ELECT.'; I cite specifically mormonism. Okay, folks, thumbs me down if you'd like, but the TRUTH is that mormonism is a FALSE doctrine, and I simply cannot ignore that fact. My soul is particularly angry at the leadership, because I feel they are purposely and knowing leading others astray via misinformation and lying to their members.
Have a blessed day.
no, darwin was a deceived christian . and there is nothing spiritual about Darwin theory, remember christians are called to fight spiritual battle. if christians were obeying the bible darwin would have never be this popular . shame on these christian scientists. good question
Funny given that Paul effectively hijacked what would have otherwise become the Christian religion, but no. False doctrines refers to church matters, not worldly matters.
Why do people profess that God is intelligent, and we are in his image, but when we use intelligence to truthfully learn of our existence, it's heresy?
';Origin of Species'; might be mistaken, but creationism is an orchestrated litany of lies.
False doctrin was more directed at churches.One church today has lesbian women pastors,that is a false doctrine.
No, evolution is not a doctrine.
Not a doctrine.
It's not a doctrine.
No.
Try the works of Martin Luther, and Queen James the fifth; they're much closer to what he meant.
Why do people fall for the false doctrines of the T.U.L.I.P.?
This question is addressed only to non-Calvinists (please), and a non-Calvinist is by no means necessarily an Armenian. (I am neither).
As a non-Calvinist I am truly baffled at WHAT is it that is SO APPEALING to Calvinists that they would fall for the T.U.L.I.P. doctrines and be blinded to how clearly Calvinism is contrary to the Word of God? Again, please, only non-Calvinists should respond.Why do people fall for the false doctrines of the T.U.L.I.P.?
I did a stint in a Calvinist Baptist church back in the 90's. I was never so miserable in my entire life. Every time I went to church, I cried. Even the hymns were so depressing that they too made me cry. For me, there was no joy to be found in Calvinism!
How did I end up in a Calvinist Baptist church? I was reading the Bible independently and trying to find my way after leaving a pseudo-Christian cult. Instead of asking for God's guidance, I thought I could pick out a church all by myself. What I ended up with was almost ten years of total misery and the complete destruction of whatever faith I had. TULIP quite literally turned me into an atheist. (I returned to the Lord a few years ago and last year, to the Church.)
Now to answer your question...how did I fall for TULIP? I was lied to...plain and simple. They did it for the benefit of my soul, I am sure of their motives...but they twisted the scriptures to mean what they wanted them to mean and not what the authors of that particular book in the Bible meant. Scriptures were frequently taken out of context to prove their point of view. And of course, I was vulnerable to Scripture abuse as I had just left a pseudo-Christian cult...
I so miserable because I could not reconcile the God of the Bible that said salvation was open to all through Jesus Christ (John 3:16; 2nd Peter 3:9), with the God of Calvin who picked and chose who would be saved. And I rejected the teaching of ';total depravity';, because although I do believe in ';original sin';, I also believe that man is able to respond to God's calling him to grace. Total depravity says this isn't possible, so I rejected it.
And as for ';limited atonement';, the very idea that Jesus died on the cross only for a predestined few, is spiritual pornography, in my ever so humble opinion. Jesus died on the cross for all of us...for anyone who is willing to accept His sacrifice on the cross as a substitute for the death we deserve for our own sins. So again, I rejected that doctrine and with two down, they all fell in my eyes...and it took my faith with it. It took several years before God opened my eyes again...my Calvinist experiment was so not worth it...
As for why it is spreading....I expect it is because of the allure of being one of the ';chosen'; elect...also the promise of ';eternal security'; (once saved, always saved). Also, I expect that they have good missionaries.
Pax Christi!Why do people fall for the false doctrines of the T.U.L.I.P.?
The Calvinist doctrine is simply false doctrine and people are easily deceived by it. The first point of of T.U.L.I.P (Totaly Depravity, aka Original Sin) is false and is the foundation which the rest of the doctrines are built upon. See my website for details. http://www.dividingword.net/
I believe in the open view of God and also am non calvinist.
My personal experience is that it is like other false ideas demonic. In the past I have had experience in deliverance and the demon said he was the spirit of calvinism.. strangely enough our modern world of Christianity is full of these false ideas. It is the devils way of confusing the character of God so that people don't love and trust him. In calvinism the devil has no place because god ordained evil.. the devil loves tulip. It takes him off the hook.
I think the only person who could answer your question completely would be a Calvinist. Since it is not appealing to non-calvinist they would probably have a hard time explaining what is appealing.
I am not a Calvinist but I did grow up a Moonie (Follower of Rev. Sun Myung Moon) What I learned from being in that controvesial religion was that theology is often misinterpreted to show a point (usually a negative bias) to the public. If taken from an outside prospective widely accepted christianity (as well as other major religions) looks a bit crazy and illogical as well (watch ';Religulous';).
Not a Calvinist, but it's based on the concept of salvation by grace, in other words, God only gives it to a few. I've never understood the appeal of it either, and Arminius (giving us Arminian, not Armenian) pointed out that Calvinism leads to God foreordaining evil, which would constitute blasphemy.
';Calvinism'; and ';arminianism'; are both wrong.
Because, John 3:16 proves them both wrong.
WHOSOEVER (meaning everyone can be saved). Whosoever will believe in Jesus, gets ETERNAL life (meaning you cannot lose or ';leave'; salvation). :)
likely this:
what will be will be...
to need to worry about it
what gets me is why do calvinists evangelize?
There was a time when I really struggled to believe that man was totally depraved as per the teaching of John Calvin. In my naivet茅 I went to a Baptist seminary after undergraduate school not knowing that there were different approaches to soteriology and not prepared for the concept of total depravity. I had been taught original sin as a Moravian but never that this sin made man totally depraved unable to do any good. Try as I might I just could not accept this teaching of total depravity because it just did not match the Scriptures as I read them, instead the idea created conflicts in my mind with Scriptures. Try as I might I could not reconcile those conflicts and then began to reject that presupposition of total depravity and search for another understanding without the conflicts with Scripture and more doctrinal consistency. I came to this realization as I was studying my second course in hermeneutics and was reading some of Rudolph Bultman鈥檚 writings discussing the difficulty and his perceived impossibility of one being instructed by Scriptures without presuppositions. He stated that we all come to Scriptural study tainted by our worldview and unable to be objective and allow the text to instruct us instead of gleaning from the text support for that which we already supposed instead. I came to believe that this is exactly what Calvinist inclined exegetes do when the degree of depravity of man is studied and often ignore Scripture references to the contrary building a case for the one worldview of a depraved and hopeless humanity incapable of even recognizing goodness.
There were a lot of problems I had with Calvin鈥檚 theology on man鈥檚 total depravity. When I went to seminary, I had already been to war in Vietnam. I was not the innocent, idealistic person that had graduated from undergrad school. I had seen man at his worst exposed by war, murder, lust, hatred, etc. It occurred to me that if I was to believe in the total depravity of man then the logical assumption in a consistent mind is that God wills evil as well as good. Otherwise, God would destroy the evil in men with his irresistible grace.
Now I had no trouble in accepting God鈥檚 sovereignty but could not understand why God would predestine some to salvation and others as reprobate, all this by some mysterious selection when we were created. To me, it was impossible to ignore that God was creating some for righteousness and others to evil, some to eternity and others into the lake of fire and damnation if Calvin was correct. In a real sense, God was creating evil and goodness if Calvinist theology is to be considered consistent. This created great difficulty because I saw the consistent message in the Bible that God was just and loving. I just could not see the love and the justice in the Calvinist God creating those condemned as reprobate. In addition, this doctrine of Calvin was not consistent with my life experience where I had served in the military with many who had not accepted God鈥檚 saving grace but I saw the goodness of love in these people. With the presence of love how could they be the victims of the divine lottery of total depravity? Where there is love can there be total depravity? This seems inconsistent.
Calvinist doctrine continued to fall apart in my mind when considering why some are saved and some are reprobate. Calvin suggested that God chose who would be saved and who would be damned based not on any free will or choice of the individual but simply on God鈥檚 will through his declarative sovereignty, He wills it therefore it happens. But, I kept seeing in Scriptures that Jesus came to save all of humanity. I even thought for a time that Calvin might be right and the Scriptures that speak of salvific opportunity for all men may be a mistranslation from the Greek to the English or even the Latin as I was already a Latin scholar. Eventually, when I learned Greek, I found that the Scriptures do speak quite adamantly about the inclusive opportunity of all to receive the saving grace of God by our believing in Christ and through Him all salvation may be realized. Christ coming for salvation of the whole world certainly conflicted with predestination and with total depravity and try as I might I could not reconcile these Scriptures with Calvinist doctrine. This is especially clear in the writings of St. John the beloved disciple. No, Calvin must be wrong, the Scriptures do not talk of salvation for only the elect unless we would assume that the whole world is only the elect which Scriptures would also contradict. If the elect are drawn by irresistible grace why is this irresistible grace given to all and not just the elect? The Scriptures are not supposed to create more questions than they answer and in this doctrine leave so much ambiguity as to who will be saved and /or why some are elect and others are damned. Surely there must be some element of free will and not just irresistible grace. One thing in Scriptures that really jumped out at me was learning from Scriptures that God did not create the everlasting fire for mankind but for Satan and his minions (Mat 25:41). If He created the everlasting fire as punishment for them only as Scriptures teach, then why does He also create some of humanity for the everlasting fire?
Then there is the issue of original sin. We see the sin of Adam and Eve which we inherit but it is clear from Scriptures that they did not sin because of a depraved state. In the Garden there obviously was not irresistible grace that would prevent them from sinning. Had there been irresistible grace death would not have entered the world. It seems to me that they sinned from their choices made within their free will. Where in Scriptures does it suggest that as a result of original sin that we no longer have choice or free will but are subject to election through irresistible grace. Why, if God chooses us with irresistible grace as the elect, are we not regenerated into perfection, immune to sin? Where is man鈥檚 responsibility in Calvin鈥檚 theology?
(1Jo 2:2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Are these words not true? John Calvin brings them into doubt.
In Christ
Fr. Josephacne scar
As a non-Calvinist I am truly baffled at WHAT is it that is SO APPEALING to Calvinists that they would fall for the T.U.L.I.P. doctrines and be blinded to how clearly Calvinism is contrary to the Word of God? Again, please, only non-Calvinists should respond.Why do people fall for the false doctrines of the T.U.L.I.P.?
I did a stint in a Calvinist Baptist church back in the 90's. I was never so miserable in my entire life. Every time I went to church, I cried. Even the hymns were so depressing that they too made me cry. For me, there was no joy to be found in Calvinism!
How did I end up in a Calvinist Baptist church? I was reading the Bible independently and trying to find my way after leaving a pseudo-Christian cult. Instead of asking for God's guidance, I thought I could pick out a church all by myself. What I ended up with was almost ten years of total misery and the complete destruction of whatever faith I had. TULIP quite literally turned me into an atheist. (I returned to the Lord a few years ago and last year, to the Church.)
Now to answer your question...how did I fall for TULIP? I was lied to...plain and simple. They did it for the benefit of my soul, I am sure of their motives...but they twisted the scriptures to mean what they wanted them to mean and not what the authors of that particular book in the Bible meant. Scriptures were frequently taken out of context to prove their point of view. And of course, I was vulnerable to Scripture abuse as I had just left a pseudo-Christian cult...
I so miserable because I could not reconcile the God of the Bible that said salvation was open to all through Jesus Christ (John 3:16; 2nd Peter 3:9), with the God of Calvin who picked and chose who would be saved. And I rejected the teaching of ';total depravity';, because although I do believe in ';original sin';, I also believe that man is able to respond to God's calling him to grace. Total depravity says this isn't possible, so I rejected it.
And as for ';limited atonement';, the very idea that Jesus died on the cross only for a predestined few, is spiritual pornography, in my ever so humble opinion. Jesus died on the cross for all of us...for anyone who is willing to accept His sacrifice on the cross as a substitute for the death we deserve for our own sins. So again, I rejected that doctrine and with two down, they all fell in my eyes...and it took my faith with it. It took several years before God opened my eyes again...my Calvinist experiment was so not worth it...
As for why it is spreading....I expect it is because of the allure of being one of the ';chosen'; elect...also the promise of ';eternal security'; (once saved, always saved). Also, I expect that they have good missionaries.
Pax Christi!Why do people fall for the false doctrines of the T.U.L.I.P.?
The Calvinist doctrine is simply false doctrine and people are easily deceived by it. The first point of of T.U.L.I.P (Totaly Depravity, aka Original Sin) is false and is the foundation which the rest of the doctrines are built upon. See my website for details. http://www.dividingword.net/
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I believe in the open view of God and also am non calvinist.
My personal experience is that it is like other false ideas demonic. In the past I have had experience in deliverance and the demon said he was the spirit of calvinism.. strangely enough our modern world of Christianity is full of these false ideas. It is the devils way of confusing the character of God so that people don't love and trust him. In calvinism the devil has no place because god ordained evil.. the devil loves tulip. It takes him off the hook.
I think the only person who could answer your question completely would be a Calvinist. Since it is not appealing to non-calvinist they would probably have a hard time explaining what is appealing.
I am not a Calvinist but I did grow up a Moonie (Follower of Rev. Sun Myung Moon) What I learned from being in that controvesial religion was that theology is often misinterpreted to show a point (usually a negative bias) to the public. If taken from an outside prospective widely accepted christianity (as well as other major religions) looks a bit crazy and illogical as well (watch ';Religulous';).
Not a Calvinist, but it's based on the concept of salvation by grace, in other words, God only gives it to a few. I've never understood the appeal of it either, and Arminius (giving us Arminian, not Armenian) pointed out that Calvinism leads to God foreordaining evil, which would constitute blasphemy.
';Calvinism'; and ';arminianism'; are both wrong.
Because, John 3:16 proves them both wrong.
WHOSOEVER (meaning everyone can be saved). Whosoever will believe in Jesus, gets ETERNAL life (meaning you cannot lose or ';leave'; salvation). :)
likely this:
what will be will be...
to need to worry about it
what gets me is why do calvinists evangelize?
There was a time when I really struggled to believe that man was totally depraved as per the teaching of John Calvin. In my naivet茅 I went to a Baptist seminary after undergraduate school not knowing that there were different approaches to soteriology and not prepared for the concept of total depravity. I had been taught original sin as a Moravian but never that this sin made man totally depraved unable to do any good. Try as I might I just could not accept this teaching of total depravity because it just did not match the Scriptures as I read them, instead the idea created conflicts in my mind with Scriptures. Try as I might I could not reconcile those conflicts and then began to reject that presupposition of total depravity and search for another understanding without the conflicts with Scripture and more doctrinal consistency. I came to this realization as I was studying my second course in hermeneutics and was reading some of Rudolph Bultman鈥檚 writings discussing the difficulty and his perceived impossibility of one being instructed by Scriptures without presuppositions. He stated that we all come to Scriptural study tainted by our worldview and unable to be objective and allow the text to instruct us instead of gleaning from the text support for that which we already supposed instead. I came to believe that this is exactly what Calvinist inclined exegetes do when the degree of depravity of man is studied and often ignore Scripture references to the contrary building a case for the one worldview of a depraved and hopeless humanity incapable of even recognizing goodness.
There were a lot of problems I had with Calvin鈥檚 theology on man鈥檚 total depravity. When I went to seminary, I had already been to war in Vietnam. I was not the innocent, idealistic person that had graduated from undergrad school. I had seen man at his worst exposed by war, murder, lust, hatred, etc. It occurred to me that if I was to believe in the total depravity of man then the logical assumption in a consistent mind is that God wills evil as well as good. Otherwise, God would destroy the evil in men with his irresistible grace.
Now I had no trouble in accepting God鈥檚 sovereignty but could not understand why God would predestine some to salvation and others as reprobate, all this by some mysterious selection when we were created. To me, it was impossible to ignore that God was creating some for righteousness and others to evil, some to eternity and others into the lake of fire and damnation if Calvin was correct. In a real sense, God was creating evil and goodness if Calvinist theology is to be considered consistent. This created great difficulty because I saw the consistent message in the Bible that God was just and loving. I just could not see the love and the justice in the Calvinist God creating those condemned as reprobate. In addition, this doctrine of Calvin was not consistent with my life experience where I had served in the military with many who had not accepted God鈥檚 saving grace but I saw the goodness of love in these people. With the presence of love how could they be the victims of the divine lottery of total depravity? Where there is love can there be total depravity? This seems inconsistent.
Calvinist doctrine continued to fall apart in my mind when considering why some are saved and some are reprobate. Calvin suggested that God chose who would be saved and who would be damned based not on any free will or choice of the individual but simply on God鈥檚 will through his declarative sovereignty, He wills it therefore it happens. But, I kept seeing in Scriptures that Jesus came to save all of humanity. I even thought for a time that Calvin might be right and the Scriptures that speak of salvific opportunity for all men may be a mistranslation from the Greek to the English or even the Latin as I was already a Latin scholar. Eventually, when I learned Greek, I found that the Scriptures do speak quite adamantly about the inclusive opportunity of all to receive the saving grace of God by our believing in Christ and through Him all salvation may be realized. Christ coming for salvation of the whole world certainly conflicted with predestination and with total depravity and try as I might I could not reconcile these Scriptures with Calvinist doctrine. This is especially clear in the writings of St. John the beloved disciple. No, Calvin must be wrong, the Scriptures do not talk of salvation for only the elect unless we would assume that the whole world is only the elect which Scriptures would also contradict. If the elect are drawn by irresistible grace why is this irresistible grace given to all and not just the elect? The Scriptures are not supposed to create more questions than they answer and in this doctrine leave so much ambiguity as to who will be saved and /or why some are elect and others are damned. Surely there must be some element of free will and not just irresistible grace. One thing in Scriptures that really jumped out at me was learning from Scriptures that God did not create the everlasting fire for mankind but for Satan and his minions (Mat 25:41). If He created the everlasting fire as punishment for them only as Scriptures teach, then why does He also create some of humanity for the everlasting fire?
Then there is the issue of original sin. We see the sin of Adam and Eve which we inherit but it is clear from Scriptures that they did not sin because of a depraved state. In the Garden there obviously was not irresistible grace that would prevent them from sinning. Had there been irresistible grace death would not have entered the world. It seems to me that they sinned from their choices made within their free will. Where in Scriptures does it suggest that as a result of original sin that we no longer have choice or free will but are subject to election through irresistible grace. Why, if God chooses us with irresistible grace as the elect, are we not regenerated into perfection, immune to sin? Where is man鈥檚 responsibility in Calvin鈥檚 theology?
(1Jo 2:2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Are these words not true? John Calvin brings them into doubt.
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
False doctrines? How many false doctrines being taught in churches can you list?
False doctrines? How many false doctrines being taught in churches can you list?
adam and eve 1st 2 people
rapture
eternal hellfire and brimstone
only 144,000 in heaven
speaking in tongues the 1 where u need interpreter for gibberish
human called father to confess to
the ';virgin'; mary
any and all moder day prophets
book of Revelation is sealed and we are not supposed to understand it
satan wears red undies and carries a pitchfork
Easter as a Christian holiday
must tithe 10% even if it leaves you hungry, without medicine or bills go unpaid
disfellowshipping
infant baptism
must get baptized into a church
once saved always saved
cain married his sister
the trinity isn't real
all sin is forgivable... (there is 1 that is not)
homosexuality is ok
God told me to tell you
the world will end
purgatory
degrees of hell
MUST be baptized to go to heaven
humans can not know what God's plan is
there are many more but these come to mind quickly
btw i can back up each of these with scriptureFalse doctrines? How many false doctrines being taught in churches can you list?
All of them?
If their bible is KJV then their whole church is false.
trinity
sin
death
atonement
salvation
';begotten'; son
unconditional love
Any doctrine that goes against the word of God is a false doctrine.
Starts with ';In the beginning'; and ends with '; The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.';
The ones that say that gays and abortion mothers murdering their babies by another name is right.
The ones that preach to put yourself and money over God.
Any other that preaches against Jesus and that sin is OK
Mike Mccracken
PS Even on here as I read, God's doctrine is rejected by giving me negatives.
Mitch prefers the Book of Mormon.......
all of them
None of them. All doctrines, even the ones I disagree with, are based on someone's interpretation of the bible.
Some of these are not taught in church. They are from the Cathechism of the Catholic Church which is never discussed.
Papal Infallibility
Just War Doctrine
Transubstantiation
Infant Baptism
The Assumption/Coronation of Mary
Limbo
Purgatory
The Ten Commandments are inaccurate within Catholicism.
Sunday Sabbath
Lent
The Rosary
The Classification of sin
Confession
Confirmation
The 7 Sacraments
Apostolic Succession
Veneration of the Dead
Veneration of Mary
Veneration of the Saints
Marian Apparitions
I edited the first three words of this post.
Difficult problem, so many different denominations:
trinity
hell fire - that the wicked are tormented in hell (they are not)
eternal soul
that our spirit is a self contained life form
Christ rose in the flesh
that grace is all, saves forever. (doesn't - evil willful works damns forever!)
that all good Christians go to heaven when they die
that the earth is 6000 years old. (';In the beginning . . .'; - no time stated)
that God is omniscient -- he isn't (but he knows all our thoughts, everything happening now)
sabbath must be observed
tithing
that the new earth and new heavens are literal new ones
God has a fleshly body - flesh and bones
Jehovah is Jesus and vice versa
Moses saw God literally
that the founding of the world is before the earth was created
that the Melchizedek priesthood is of Aaron's line / descendants
that God's people today are the fleshly Israelites
new covenant not for all Christians
1914 is when Jesus became king (33CE)
1914 - soon after the resurrection began (hasn't happened yet)
1914 - the gentile times began, (why aren't they finished yet?)
1914 - Satan ousted from heaven -- (he is still up there!)
that we shouldn't try to study deeply ourselves and find Bible truths
that we must obey the GB as we would God. (not servants of men, not gospel of men)
that the Faithful and Discreet slave has been selected
(Matthew 24:46-47
';Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU,
He will appoint him over all his belongings.';
This scripture proves that the FD is over all Christ's belongings not just his earthly ones. Thus the present FD is false.)
Prosperity preaching
Name it and claim it
Jesus is God
Just saying the name Jesus will bring you power and deliver you from evil
Praying to the Virgin Mary and other saints
If God doesn't answer your prayer favorably then you did not have enough faith or didn't pray enough.
Believing in Jesus is enough to make it to heaven, whether you followed his ways or not.
There is no hell, just a state of mind
You must attend church to be a true believer.
Where to begin? Ok- I'll give my best shot on what I know and have personally been subjected to first hand. I'm going to list them in caps-not yelling, just emphasis.
*TRINITY DOCTRINE
*ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
*ONLY 144,000 TO BE SAVED (JW)
*ANOTHER TESTIMENT OF JESUS CHRIST (THE BOOK OF MORMON)
*THE RAPTURE (THERE IS NO RAPTURE- ONLY A RESURRECTION AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION)
*PROSPERITY (NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING RICH AND BEIGN SAVED, BUT MANY DECIEVE WITH OTHER FALSE DOCTRINE TO GAIN WEALTH FOR THEIR OWN)
*THE RITUALS AND PRACTICE OF CATHOLICISM (PRAYING TO IDOLS SUCH AS STATUES IS A SIN AND FALSE, TRINITY IS FALSE, CONFESSING YOUR SINS TO A PRIEST IS FALSE, YOU ONLY NEED CONFESS YOUR SINS TO THE FATHER IN HEAVEN, OR TO EACH OTHER, NOT TO A PRIEST YOU CALL FATHER, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CALL ANYONE FATHER ON EARTH, YOU HAVE ONE FATHER AND HE IS GOD ALMIGHTY)
THAT THE EUCARIST IS THE ACTUAL BLOOD, AND BODY OF CHRIST, THIS IS SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH IT STINKS.)
CONFIRMATION, SACRAMENTS, ETC...NOT NEEDED TO BE SAVED. AND MUCH MORE..TOO MANY TO LIST.
*TO BE TOLERANT OF SIN (ALLOWING SIN IN THE CHURCH ON ANY LEVEL- JUST PRAY FOR FORGIVENESS AND KEEP ON A SINNING.)
*LEGALISM (MAN TELLING YOU HOW TO DRESS, WHAT TO DO IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE- SETTING CURFEWS ON YOU, ETC...TO HAVE ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER ONES LIFE. )
*THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO CAST OUT DEMONS OR HEAL THE SICK- (THIS IS FLAT OUT FALSE, YOU DO HAVE THE POWER, IF YOU ARE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND HE LEADS YOU TO DO THIS, PRAYER AND FASTING SOMETIMES IS NEEDED TO CAST OUT DEMONS, AND GOD MUST CALL YOU AND YOU MUST BE FULLY ARMED WITH THE WORD OF GOD.)
*THAT WATER BAPTISM SAVES
*DOCTRINES THAT DENY JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD
There are so many other false doctrines that are contrary to the word of God, that it would take a book to cover them all. It's unfortanunt, be we are living in the days of Apostate, and we are about to see Anti-Christ revealed. Be watchful and decerning, Have the full armor of God on, Strive daily, Work out your own salvation with trembling and fear, as even the very elect can be deceived in these last days.
Seek first the Kingdom of God AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS and all things shall be added unto you. You must be ever seeking God and the Spirit of Truth daily, continue running the race of faith in hope that you might be saved. Those who endure til the end, the same shall be saved. This means to the end of your life, or to the end of days.
Bottom line, If you are being taught ANYTHING contrary to the Apostles doctrine, then it is FALSE DOCTRINE.
I apologize for any typos- looks like spell check is not working.
I tried.
God Bless.
adam and eve 1st 2 people
rapture
eternal hellfire and brimstone
only 144,000 in heaven
speaking in tongues the 1 where u need interpreter for gibberish
human called father to confess to
the ';virgin'; mary
any and all moder day prophets
book of Revelation is sealed and we are not supposed to understand it
satan wears red undies and carries a pitchfork
Easter as a Christian holiday
must tithe 10% even if it leaves you hungry, without medicine or bills go unpaid
disfellowshipping
infant baptism
must get baptized into a church
once saved always saved
cain married his sister
the trinity isn't real
all sin is forgivable... (there is 1 that is not)
homosexuality is ok
God told me to tell you
the world will end
purgatory
degrees of hell
MUST be baptized to go to heaven
humans can not know what God's plan is
there are many more but these come to mind quickly
btw i can back up each of these with scriptureFalse doctrines? How many false doctrines being taught in churches can you list?
All of them?
If their bible is KJV then their whole church is false.
trinity
sin
death
atonement
salvation
';begotten'; son
unconditional love
Any doctrine that goes against the word of God is a false doctrine.
Starts with ';In the beginning'; and ends with '; The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.';
The ones that say that gays and abortion mothers murdering their babies by another name is right.
The ones that preach to put yourself and money over God.
Any other that preaches against Jesus and that sin is OK
Mike Mccracken
PS Even on here as I read, God's doctrine is rejected by giving me negatives.
Mitch prefers the Book of Mormon.......
all of them
None of them. All doctrines, even the ones I disagree with, are based on someone's interpretation of the bible.
Some of these are not taught in church. They are from the Cathechism of the Catholic Church which is never discussed.
Papal Infallibility
Just War Doctrine
Transubstantiation
Infant Baptism
The Assumption/Coronation of Mary
Limbo
Purgatory
The Ten Commandments are inaccurate within Catholicism.
Sunday Sabbath
Lent
The Rosary
The Classification of sin
Confession
Confirmation
The 7 Sacraments
Apostolic Succession
Veneration of the Dead
Veneration of Mary
Veneration of the Saints
Marian Apparitions
I edited the first three words of this post.
Difficult problem, so many different denominations:
trinity
hell fire - that the wicked are tormented in hell (they are not)
eternal soul
that our spirit is a self contained life form
Christ rose in the flesh
that grace is all, saves forever. (doesn't - evil willful works damns forever!)
that all good Christians go to heaven when they die
that the earth is 6000 years old. (';In the beginning . . .'; - no time stated)
that God is omniscient -- he isn't (but he knows all our thoughts, everything happening now)
sabbath must be observed
tithing
that the new earth and new heavens are literal new ones
God has a fleshly body - flesh and bones
Jehovah is Jesus and vice versa
Moses saw God literally
that the founding of the world is before the earth was created
that the Melchizedek priesthood is of Aaron's line / descendants
that God's people today are the fleshly Israelites
new covenant not for all Christians
1914 is when Jesus became king (33CE)
1914 - soon after the resurrection began (hasn't happened yet)
1914 - the gentile times began, (why aren't they finished yet?)
1914 - Satan ousted from heaven -- (he is still up there!)
that we shouldn't try to study deeply ourselves and find Bible truths
that we must obey the GB as we would God. (not servants of men, not gospel of men)
that the Faithful and Discreet slave has been selected
(Matthew 24:46-47
';Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU,
He will appoint him over all his belongings.';
This scripture proves that the FD is over all Christ's belongings not just his earthly ones. Thus the present FD is false.)
Prosperity preaching
Name it and claim it
Jesus is God
Just saying the name Jesus will bring you power and deliver you from evil
Praying to the Virgin Mary and other saints
If God doesn't answer your prayer favorably then you did not have enough faith or didn't pray enough.
Believing in Jesus is enough to make it to heaven, whether you followed his ways or not.
There is no hell, just a state of mind
You must attend church to be a true believer.
Where to begin? Ok- I'll give my best shot on what I know and have personally been subjected to first hand. I'm going to list them in caps-not yelling, just emphasis.
*TRINITY DOCTRINE
*ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
*ONLY 144,000 TO BE SAVED (JW)
*ANOTHER TESTIMENT OF JESUS CHRIST (THE BOOK OF MORMON)
*THE RAPTURE (THERE IS NO RAPTURE- ONLY A RESURRECTION AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION)
*PROSPERITY (NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING RICH AND BEIGN SAVED, BUT MANY DECIEVE WITH OTHER FALSE DOCTRINE TO GAIN WEALTH FOR THEIR OWN)
*THE RITUALS AND PRACTICE OF CATHOLICISM (PRAYING TO IDOLS SUCH AS STATUES IS A SIN AND FALSE, TRINITY IS FALSE, CONFESSING YOUR SINS TO A PRIEST IS FALSE, YOU ONLY NEED CONFESS YOUR SINS TO THE FATHER IN HEAVEN, OR TO EACH OTHER, NOT TO A PRIEST YOU CALL FATHER, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CALL ANYONE FATHER ON EARTH, YOU HAVE ONE FATHER AND HE IS GOD ALMIGHTY)
THAT THE EUCARIST IS THE ACTUAL BLOOD, AND BODY OF CHRIST, THIS IS SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH IT STINKS.)
CONFIRMATION, SACRAMENTS, ETC...NOT NEEDED TO BE SAVED. AND MUCH MORE..TOO MANY TO LIST.
*TO BE TOLERANT OF SIN (ALLOWING SIN IN THE CHURCH ON ANY LEVEL- JUST PRAY FOR FORGIVENESS AND KEEP ON A SINNING.)
*LEGALISM (MAN TELLING YOU HOW TO DRESS, WHAT TO DO IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE- SETTING CURFEWS ON YOU, ETC...TO HAVE ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER ONES LIFE. )
*THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO CAST OUT DEMONS OR HEAL THE SICK- (THIS IS FLAT OUT FALSE, YOU DO HAVE THE POWER, IF YOU ARE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND HE LEADS YOU TO DO THIS, PRAYER AND FASTING SOMETIMES IS NEEDED TO CAST OUT DEMONS, AND GOD MUST CALL YOU AND YOU MUST BE FULLY ARMED WITH THE WORD OF GOD.)
*THAT WATER BAPTISM SAVES
*DOCTRINES THAT DENY JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD
There are so many other false doctrines that are contrary to the word of God, that it would take a book to cover them all. It's unfortanunt, be we are living in the days of Apostate, and we are about to see Anti-Christ revealed. Be watchful and decerning, Have the full armor of God on, Strive daily, Work out your own salvation with trembling and fear, as even the very elect can be deceived in these last days.
Seek first the Kingdom of God AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS and all things shall be added unto you. You must be ever seeking God and the Spirit of Truth daily, continue running the race of faith in hope that you might be saved. Those who endure til the end, the same shall be saved. This means to the end of your life, or to the end of days.
Bottom line, If you are being taught ANYTHING contrary to the Apostles doctrine, then it is FALSE DOCTRINE.
I apologize for any typos- looks like spell check is not working.
I tried.
God Bless.
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