Christians, do you think that OSAS is a false doctrine?

I know not all Christians believe in ';once saved always saved'; or OSAS. I want to know which denominations accept it and which ones reject it as false.





Please answer yes or no and give your denomination.Christians, do you think that OSAS is a false doctrine?
Yes, for the simple reason that we are human and are subject to failing to ';stay the course.';





My religion has nothing to do with my logical conclusion.





My path (Christian) teaches that salvation is a gift that is given to all mankind (As in Adam, all die, so in Christ are all made alive).Christians, do you think that OSAS is a false doctrine?
didn't know this OSAS term lol, I honestly couldn't believe that, say someone is baptized, later on down the line, chooses to molest/rape/killrob ';whatever'; on a ';reg. basis/career: with no remorse/no repentance, hmmmm no I cannot buy that theory sorry, SDA


God Bless
Yeah Read Romans 11v20





Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:


Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.


Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.





So you half to Continue...





John 6v37





Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.


Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.








So Notice What he Says... You half to Believe, So if You doubt, or go into false doctrines, or believe on a False Christ you loose it....
Yes. It is a false doctrine. It is not how you start the race, but whether you finish it That's Paul illustration of salvation. Paul uses this illustration a lot.





The OSAS premise is based on ';Jesus will not leave you or forsake you.'; While that is true, there is flip side: You can leave and forsake Jesus, and Jesus will allow you to. Jesus does not forsake; but you can. For an example of losing one's salvation, Heb 6:4-6.
Yes it is.





The scripture clearly teaches BOTH the sovereignty of God AND the free will of men. To deny this is irrational, and must be caused by something other than reason based on scriptural precepts.





The scriptural position is that a person who is saved can forfeit that salvation. The bible teaches those at highest risk of forfeiting their salvation are those who are newly saved, and those who continue on in known disobedience, after being born again.





The elect are those whom God chose, whom God foresaw would both trust in His Son AND who would endure or persevere in the faith given them until the end of their physical life, or the return of Jesus.





Those whose hearts are seeking the Lord with all that is in them, should have no concern about ';losing'; their salvation. Nor should they have any concern about forfeiting their salvation.





Salvation cannot be lost, but it can be forfeited - this is the nature of covenants in the bible. The bible no where guarantee's someone that salvation once received cannot be turned away from or forfeited by the individual that possesses it.





Receiving salvation involves man's will, and not works. Forfeiting salvation involves man's will, and not works. In the same way the Lord did not force His salvation on anyone, He neither forces anyone to remain in the covenant.





Hebrews 6:4-6, [4] ';For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5] and have tasted the good scripture and the powers of the age to come, [6] and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame.





Comments:





This is one of the classic proof texts for forfeiting one's salvation. Most Calvinistic theologians have made this passage fit into their theology by claiming that the passage does not refer to believers. There are, however, some significant problems with attempting to do this. First, the text clearly says, ';it is impossible to renew them again to repentance';, the ';them'; referring to those who ';have fallen away';. If the Calvinistic theologians interpretation is correct, then the text says that it is impossible for those who never actually became believers (repented, believed and thereby received the Holy Spirit), to repent and become believers. This seems to be inconsistent with God's mercy (2 Pet. 3:9; Matt. 11:28). It also seems to contradict the entire 18th chapter of Ezekiel, particularly verses 21-23. In addition, Jesus is clearly the object of the ';elementary teachings'; (verses 5:11 %26amp; 6:1), so saying that this passage refers to unbelieving Jews really stretches the concept of consistent interpretation








Possession of eternal life is a one time state-of-being and you either choose to abide in the Lord through faith after being truly born again and thereby retain eternal life, or you forfeit eternal life never to receive it again. If a believer continues to willfully sin and ultimately reaches a place of turning their back on the Lord, then that is it - they seal their doom in the everlasting fires of hell (Matt. 12:31). Unfortunately, at the point of turning away, they will not be able to see this dreadful price since they will be at a place of unbelief (Heb. 3:12-4:2) and will thereby deny in their heart that their is a hell to go to or a Lord to send them where they choose to go. This is the fearful cost of trampling under foot the Son of God after having received His incredible love and mercy.
No, but even an answer of no needs explanation.





Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.





';Confession made unto salvation'; is repentance. If we have repented for some things, we can still continue to sin throughout our lives and without additional repentance, we could lose that salvation.





Salvation has many different meanings so one would need to clarify what they mean when they ';saved.'; Saved from what?





Physical Death?


Sin?


Not being born again?


Salvation from ignorance?
What is the Assemblies of God position on the security of the believer's salvation?





The Assemblies of God has taken a strong stand against the teaching that God鈥檚 sovereign will completely overrides man鈥檚 free will to accept and serve Him. In view of this we believe it is possible for a person once saved to turn from God and be lost again. However, we do not go to the other extreme of teaching that mankind鈥檚 choice of receiving or rejecting Christ makes a person totally responsible for his own salvation apart from Christ鈥檚 atonement. Article VIII of the Assemblies of God Bylaws opposes unconditional security with the following statement:





In view of the biblical teaching that the security of the believer depends on a living relationship with Christ (John 15:6); in view of the Bible's call to a life of holiness (1 Peter 1:16; Hebrews 12:14); in view of the clear teaching that a man may have his part taken out of the Book of Life (Revelation 22:19); and in view of the fact that one who believes for a while can fall away (Luke 8:13); The General Council of the Assemblies of God disapproves of the unconditional security position which holds that it is impossible for a person once saved to be lost.





The Christian religious world divides basically into two schools of thought concerning the spiritual destiny of people. One is Calvinism, named after John Calvin (early 16th century); the other is Arminianism, traced back to James Arminius (late 16th century). The theological debate is thus centuries old.





Calvinism teaches (1) the total depravity of man, (2) God's unconditional election (or predestination) of those who will be saved, (3) that Christ died only for the elect, not for every person, (4) that God's saving grace toward the elect cannot be resisted, and (5) that once a person is saved, he can never lose his salvation.





Arminianism teaches something different on each of these points: (1) Though born a sinner, mankind is given a spark of divine grace that enables him to respond positively to God. (2) God does not arbitrarily consign some people to eternal damnation; their willful rejection of God鈥檚 salvation makes them responsible. (3) Christ died for every person, even though some refuse to accept the provision for their salvation (4) No person is forced against his or her will to become a Christian. (5) One鈥檚 salvation can be lost through willful disobedience. Rather than the unconditional predestination of Calvinism, Arminianism teaches conditional predestination. We are predestined to eternal life if we accept God鈥檚 provision of salvation.





The Assemblies of God leans toward Arminianism, though it accepts scriptural truth found in both positions. We agree with the Calvinist emphasis on God's sovereignty or supreme power and authority. But we also firmly believe the Arminian emphasis on mankind's free will and responsibility for his actions and choices. We believe the Bible teaches both truths.





';Eternal security,'; according to Calvinists, means ';once saved, always saved.'; The key passage for this position is John 10:28,29鈥?';No one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.'; There is great assurance in this passage and in Romans 8:35,39鈥?quot;Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? . . . Neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.'; The Assemblies of God also stands on these wonderful truths knowing we need not fear that something external will overpower us and take away our salvation. Only our willful choices can do that.





But because we are creatures with free wills, we must be vigilantly on guard because the enemy of our soul, the devil, ';prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith'; (1 Peter 5:8,9). In our Fellowship we believe carelessness can lead to apathy, apathy to neglect, and neglect to a conscious decision to sin. We often refer to this spiritual decline as backsliding. We believe one who backslides is in danger of losing his salvation if the individual persists in rejecting the Spirit's call to repentance and restoration.





Luke 8:13 makes clear the fact that believers can lose their salvation. It says some ';believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.'; Revelation 22:19 says ';If anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life, and in the holy city.';





Certainly there are true Christians who believe and teach Calvinism; there are also true Christians who believe and teach that men and women have free will. Unfortunately, both sides have spent more time arguing doctrinal terminology and interpretations of theology than reaching out to a lost world. The irony of the disagreement is that Calvinists, who believe in predestination, are sometimes more active in witnessing and evangelism than Arminians who believe that man has a free will and should be encouraged to accept Christ as Savior. God, of course, looks on the heart and the actions rather than on the eloquence with which one defends a position.





CONCERNS:





Although the Assemblies of God adheres basically to the Arminian position on the spiritual security of the believer, there are extremes and potential abuses which must be avoided. The Christian life is not a roller coaster of Sunday salvation and Monday through Saturday backsliding. On the other hand, no Christian, no matter how spiritual, can claim perfection and sinlessness (1 John 1:8-10; 2:1). Therefore as Christians we must continually come to God sincerely asking His forgiveness for living below the potential He makes possible through the gift of His Holy Spirit.





The truth of God's marvelous and free grace has sadly led some to imagine and indulge in a cheap grace, a grace that covers all sins with no need to live a holy life. Such an attitude is an insult to the great price Christ paid to purchase our salvation. Though we may fail and fall, and sometimes sin, the heart of the true believer always regrets, repents, asks forgiveness, and seeks never to sin that way again. To carelessly participate in sin, expecting to gain forgiveness later, is itself an act of backsliding that will lead ultimately to losing one's salvation. We therefore reject any ';once saved, always saved'; doctrine that excuses sinful lifestyles.





Once saved can mean forever saved鈥搃f one continues in faith, growing in sanctification and holiness day by day. But God will not arbitrarily usurp mankind's free will. Our sovereign God does not overrule free will just to prove He is sovereign.
Right now any church that is not preaching the Cross and what Christ did at what happened at Calvary is missing the point, That is the only doctrine of truth their is.
It's possible to backslide, and lose what one has gained, spiritually. So- I don't agree with ';once saved, always saved.';


LDS (Mormon)
Yes:


Bible believing Christian:
Yes
Yes!!! Same goes with rapture, Sola Scriptura and Sola Fidel!!!
And, you think everyone on this forum knows automatically what Osas


IS?!??
no, non-denominational church
No - LDS (Mormon)